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The UK Supreme Court has ruled that Uber drivers are workers, not contractors.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...t-rules-rights

It's a big win for the GMB union and millions of casual workers falsely classed as 'self-employed' by everyone from Deliveroo to Amazon and Uber to Hermes.

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Uber drivers are now owed sick pay and holiday pay backdated.

There will be loads of similar legal cases coming forwards for workers in other industries.

Uber is probably not economically viable in the UK now, or at least, will have to put up prices so that they are less competitive.
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Completely agree with the move, now they’ve set the precedent for casual workers, the same should happen for Deliveroo drivers. It’ll benefit them so much and maybe it’ll bring the risk down too, seen many get into crashes and die.
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Completely agree with the move, now they’ve set the precedent for casual workers, the same should happen for Deliveroo drivers. It’ll benefit them so much and maybe it’ll bring the risk down too, seen many get into crashes and die.
Totally agree, it's shocking how little protection there is for people like Deliveroo drivers. The company frequently tries to wriggle out of its legal responsibilities following accidents, etc.
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Totally agree, it's shocking how little protection there is for people like Deliveroo drivers. The company frequently tries to wriggle out of its legal responsibilities following accidents, etc.
Just a couple of weeks ago I witnessed a Deliveroo driver die on impact as they hit a stationary ambulance outside a hospital.
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Just a couple of weeks ago I witnessed a Deliveroo driver die on impact as they hit a stationary ambulance outside a hospital.
Oh my God, that's terrible.
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Oh my God, that's terrible.
It’s one of the riskiest professions
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
The UK Supreme Court has ruled that Uber drivers are workers, not contractors.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...t-rules-rights

It's a big win for the GMB union and millions of casual workers falsely classed as 'self-employed' by everyone from Deliveroo to Amazon and Uber to Hermes.

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Uber drivers are now owed sick pay and holiday pay backdated.

There will be loads of similar legal cases coming forwards for workers in other industries.

Uber is probably not economically viable in the UK now, or at least, will have to put up prices so that they are less competitive.
Good for them! I would gladly pay a bit more money on an uber ride so the workers have fairer working conditions. I mean, I've never met one who wasn't at least a little crazy but still, good for them.
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(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
The UK Supreme Court has ruled that Uber drivers are workers, not contractors.
https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...t-rules-rights

It's a big win for the GMB union and millions of casual workers falsely classed as 'self-employed' by everyone from Deliveroo to Amazon and Uber to Hermes.

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Uber drivers are now owed sick pay and holiday pay backdated.

There will be loads of similar legal cases coming forwards for workers in other industries.

Uber is probably not economically viable in the UK now, or at least, will have to put up prices so that they are less competitive.
I how they’ll start getting to pay PAYE.
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Totally agree, it's shocking how little protection there is for people like Deliveroo drivers. The company frequently tries to wriggle out of its legal responsibilities following accidents, etc.
There also at risk of violent crime such as their bike being taken and road rage etc. It the most likely the most dangerous job in the UK.
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There also at risk of violent crime such as their bike being taken and road rage etc. It the most likely the most dangerous job in the UK.
I don't think much of it really, it's one of the most exploitative of the Gig companies imo.

There probably are going to be fewer Ubers on the road now, but in big cities, that can only be a good thing. Uber pretty much reversed the gains in taking vehicles off the road that the London congestion charge achieved and then some.
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There also at risk of violent crime such as their bike being taken and road rage etc. It the most likely the most dangerous job in the UK.
Often, road rage is the fault of the Deliveroo drivers and Uber drivers. They constantly undercut drivers and put others in danger from their driving but hopefully this new law will make our roads safer.
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Often, road rage is the fault of the Deliveroo drivers and Uber drivers. They constantly undercut drivers and put others in danger from their driving but hopefully this new law will make our roads safer.
Sometimes this is due to unrealistic delivery time expectations and low earnings. Uber for example systematically seeks to undercut driver earnings by introducing endless little 'tweaks' in their management software that tilt things towards the company and away from the driver. They also recruit far more drivers than is optimal, ensuring that apart from when they first enter a city, drivers cannot really earn a good living other than by flogging themselves and driving crazily. Uber is an intrinsically dangerous service as many of the drivers are fatigued, they lack training and are often just not very good drivers to start with.
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So its goodbye Uber.
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I don't think much of it really, it's one of the most exploitative of the Gig companies imo.

There probably are going to be fewer Ubers on the road now, but in big cities, that can only be a good thing. Uber pretty much reversed the gains in taking vehicles off the road that the London congestion charge achieved and then some.
They can be replaced by the more traditional private hire cars.

Is tiki sing the more traditional self employed driver who buys access to the minicab firm who will allow them access to their booking system for a fee.. Oh. Isn’t that what Uber did?
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I don't think much of it really, it's one of the most exploitative of the Gig companies imo.

There probably are going to be fewer Ubers on the road now, but in big cities, that can only be a good thing. Uber pretty much reversed the gains in taking vehicles off the road that the London congestion charge achieved and then some.
There is an elephant in the room, which it was not in the interests of either Uber or the drivers to mention.

What proportion of drivers exclusively use Uber and for what proportion do they switch between Apps and from Apps to traditional minicab firms depending on time of day, location and source of work?

If Uber is just part of a portfolio of work it looks much more like true self-employment.
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If Uber is just part of a portfolio of work it looks much more like true self-employment.
I think I read in the Standard that someone did a survey on this and found that about 85% of Uber drivers were Uber-only in London, but I couldn't find it on a search. My guess is that it fluctuates according to market conditions and that more drivers rotate apps outside London where Uber does less well. This is all pre-Covid of course - Uber, like other cab operators, has had a great deal less business during the lockdowns. Also, the percentage might vary over time, as Uber driver's ability to make a living in London just doing Uber has declined steadily, due to the corporate model Uber have of overstacking cars. Finally we should note that Uber themselves push drivers out who don't work for them 100% by giving fewer jobs to less committed drivers.
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I think I read in the Standard that someone did a survey on this and found that about 85% of Uber drivers were Uber-only in London, but I couldn't find it on a search. My guess is that it fluctuates according to market conditions and that more drivers rotate apps outside London where Uber does less well. This is all pre-Covid of course - Uber, like other cab operators, has had a great deal less business during the lockdowns. Also, the percentage might vary over time, as Uber driver's ability to make a living in London just doing Uber has declined steadily, due to the corporate model Uber have of overstacking cars. Finally we should note that Uber themselves push drivers out who don't work for them 100% by giving fewer jobs to less committed drivers.
Is it not a case of Uber drivers tend to be a bit more flexible?

Last time I caught an inner in London, the driver was doing a few hours each week to save up for his wedding.

Mini cabs and Black Cans are more of a vocarion. Stringent licensing and the hire of specialised equipment.

Ubers business model allowed for the middle man to be cut out. No need to pay for a taxi deapatcher etc etc.
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There is an elephant in the room, which it was not in the interests of either Uber or the drivers to mention.

What proportion of drivers exclusively use Uber and for what proportion do they switch between Apps and from Apps to traditional minicab firms depending on time of day, location and source of work?

If Uber is just part of a portfolio of work it looks much more like true self-employment.
Mmmm Uber could game that by providing drivers who wanted to be single app exclusive with less work than they needed... pretty sure they could have brewed up an algorithm for that if they'd wanted to.

exciting times for the English language - we're not treating people badly, we're setting them free etc.
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Mmmm Uber could game that by providing drivers who wanted to be single app exclusive with less work than they needed... pretty sure they could have brewed up an algorithm for that if they'd wanted to.

exciting times for the English language - we're not treating people badly, we're setting them free etc.
I am sure Uber are trying to game it every way they can; but so are the canny drivers. How many Uber drivers won't hand over a business card if asked?.
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