Do we need to know amide and amine nomenclature for OCR A ?

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In terms of like with the N prefix ?

My teacher is unsure.

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In terms of like with the N prefix ?

My teacher is unsure.

Thank you very much.

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Yes, but no.

4.1.1 (a) application of IUPAC rules of nomenclature for systematically naming organic compounds
Guidance says: Nomenclature will be limited to the functional groups within this specification.

So, yes.

But they never do. I don't teach N-substituted amines and certainly not amides. I tell my students as some of them may be doing competition papers/planning to go to university and it pays to know a bit more than the spec requires, but no.
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Yes, but no.

4.1.1 (a) application of IUPAC rules of nomenclature for systematically naming organic compounds
Guidance says: Nomenclature will be limited to the functional groups within this specification.

So, yes.

But they never do. I don't teach N-substituted amines and certainly not amides. I tell my students as some of them may be doing competition papers/planning to go to university and it pays to know a bit more than the spec requires, but no.
You say they "never do" , but it still could come up as a hard back of the paper question, right ? Could they expect us to draw the molecule out from its name as opposed to just name it form the drawing ?

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You say they "never do" , but it still could come up as a hard back of the paper question, right ? Could they expect us to draw the molecule out from its name as opposed to just name it form the drawing ?

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I am so confident that they won't be asked that I don't teach my students how to name them. But, my suggestion is: if you are worried that they might turn on a paper, then why not learn how to name them?

Part of the problem with naming amines and amides is quite a fair few teachers don't know how to.

Quite a few think that CH3NH2 is methylamine.

And they'd be wrong.

And who can blame them? June 11 F324 Q 2a states there is such a chemical as ethylamine.
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