MP told to 'dress properly' for House of Commons debate

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Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56180675

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I think it's stupid how men are required to wear suits in parliament. There is no reason why you can't be respectful and professional in non-formal clothing. Parliament's 'dress code' is also sexist against men, since the same is not required of women.
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There are dress codes for both sexes as this example shows. Maybe they need to adapt as our society grows, to reflect our culture. However, these dress codes are quite useful in differentiating between work and leisure. I agree with your point though, that it's sexist against men as well as women. Women do have dress codes too. But, maybe we do have more freedom?
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Stupid and pointless waste of time. I completely understand the need to look presentable but the formal dress code doesn't actually benefit anyone.
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There are dress codes for both sexes as this example shows. Maybe they need to adapt as our society grows, to reflect our culture. However, these dress codes are quite useful in differentiating between work and leisure. I agree with your point though, that it's sexist against men as well as women. Women do have dress codes too. But, maybe we do have more freedom?
Having checked the House of Commons guide on this, I don't think there are any women-specific dress code rules. Men, though, are explicitly mentioned as are dress requirements for men.

I think HoC guidelines should adapt to reflect changing work culture. Even pre-pandemic, more and more businesses were allowing employees to wear 'smart casual' clothing. This has been made even more obvious now that people are working from home and can wear what they like.
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This is the same chamber where MP's think it perfectly acceptable to go to sleep on the job. I don't expect much from them.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Source: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56180675

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I think it's stupid how men are required to wear suits in parliament. There is no reason why you can't be respectful and professional in non-formal clothing. Parliament's 'dress code' is also sexist against men, since the same is not required of women.
Lol, i like how this comes hot on the heals of a carbon copy case in Wellington. Albeit the house here sided with the reasonable lot and came to the conclusion ties are stupid. :lol:
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Lol, i like how this comes hot on the heals of a carbon copy case in Wellington. Albeit the house here sided with the reasonable lot and came to the conclusion ties are stupid. :lol:
Carbon copy case in Wellington? What do you mean by that?
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Carbon copy case in Wellington? What do you mean by that?
This silly argument.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...ori-mp-ejected
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Imagine if this was a female MP being told to dress correctly...
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Imagine if this was a female MP being told to dress correctly...
Then it would be completely typical and unsurprising given the attention given to the clothing worn by women in the public eye.
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I too would gladly see a relaxation in the rules regarding dress code for MPs, as dress codes in workplaces (including in person) evolves to be more casual over time as fashions change.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
Imagine if this was a female MP being told to dress correctly...
Exactly. It would be as if female MPs were told that they could only speak if they wore skirts.
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Yes it should be relaxed and it should also be required to show the branding of which corporate, union and national interests are sponsoring them.
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Then it would be completely typical and unsurprising given the attention given to the clothing worn by women in the public eye.
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Dress codes should be more relaxed, and should be gender-neutral. Until that happens, perhaps male MPs who don't feel like wearing a jacket and tie could temporarily self-identify as women. Would that be allowed?
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For anyone interested, the full dress code guidance for MPs is as follows (as at November 2018):

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31. As with the language you use, the way in which you dress should also demonstrate respect for the House and for its central position in the life of the nation. There is no exact dress code: usual business dress is suggested as a guide. Jeans, T-shirts, sandals and trainers are not appropriate. It is no longer a requirement for men to wear a tie, but jackets should be worn.

32. Wearing scarves, T-shirts, or large badges displaying brand names or slogans, or other forms of advertising of either commercial or non-commercial causes, is not in order. The tradition of the House is that decorations (medals, etc) of any kind and uniforms are not worn in the Chamber.

33. Members who fail to show respect to the House will not be called to speak by the Chair, and anyone showing flagrant disrespect in their manner of dress may be asked to withdraw from the Chamber.

34. You are not required to wear business dress if you are only attending to vote in a division, but in those circumstances you should not take your seat in the Chamber or stand within the Chamber between divisions.


It doesn't mention anything specifically about jumpers, but I believe the issue is that the member was not in business dress for contribution to the debate; whereas him dressing as he was for voting would have been acceptable. Very little of the dresscode is gendered, the only bit that is specifies a change to historic guidelines.

https://www.parliament.uk/globalasse...ember-2018.pdf
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(Original post by Hallouminatus)
Dress codes should be more relaxed, and should be gender-neutral. Until that happens, perhaps male MPs who don't feel like wearing a jacket and tie could temporarily self-identify as women. Would that be allowed?
Reading the link posted above, I see the relaxation and removal of gender-specific rules seems to be well underway. It says: It is no longer a
requirement for men to wear a tie, but jackets should be worn, which I think means everyone has to wear a jacket and no-one has to wear a tie, though they could have made that clearer.
[cross-posted with 04MR17]
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Carbon copy case in Wellington? What do you mean by that?
Wellington is the seat of the NZ government and there was recently a blow up over a Maori MP being ejected from the chamber for dress code violations around his 'tie' - in the end they ditched the tie requirement :lol: - unfortunately, whilst i agreed with his point he tried to make the issue one of race which irritated people a bit.
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I think it is perfectly reasonable as a request.

My cousin's dad had an email from my cousin's school asking parents not to be naked when home schooling on Zoom calls!
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What is the issue here?
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