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LLM at Cambridge with a Training Contract

For a bit of background, I come from a firmly non-RG background (having not performed as well as I could have done at A-Level).

It's looking highly likely that I am going to secure a training contract at a top City law firm and also have 2 further upcoming vacation schemes - one with a US firm in London.

I have received an offer to do the LLM at Cambridge and am really struggling to make a decision. On one hand, I want to go to Cambridge for the experience. On the other hand, the only value I can see the LLM adding is at NQ level, was I to apply for a role with another firm - or maybe if my vacation schemes fall through and I need to apply for direct TC.

I'm not sure what my chances are of securing funding. With this in mind, should I pull the trigger and spend around 20k of my savings on the LLM or turn down a seemingly once in a lifetime opportunity?
Not sure I'd characterise it as a "once in a lifetime opportunity" per se. If you could get in now, it stands to reason, provided you can evidence academic skills still in future, you could get in again.

However I'd suggest not counting your chickens before they hatch. Wait to see whether you get that training contract, and in the meantime assume you aren't going to and make arrangements under that assumption. Then if you are successful, you can make a decision. If you are offered a TC they may sponsor you for the LLM before starting perhaps; it could be something to broach with them after they make you an offer perhaps.
Original post by artful_lounger
Not sure I'd characterise it as a "once in a lifetime opportunity" per se. If you could get in now, it stands to reason, provided you can evidence academic skills still in future, you could get in again.

However I'd suggest not counting your chickens before they hatch. Wait to see whether you get that training contract, and in the meantime assume you aren't going to and make arrangements under that assumption. Then if you are successful, you can make a decision. If you are offered a TC they may sponsor you for the LLM before starting perhaps; it could be something to broach with them after they make you an offer perhaps.

Thank you for this response. One of the firms I have a VS with recruit almost all of their vacation schemers onto training contract which I why I say a virtual certainty - you are right though, as even a very small chance of it falling through is still a possibility.

Firm sponsorship would be an interesting avenue. I suppose you would have to do a very good job of proving to them that an LLM would add value to the firm overall - a difficult task - especially considering they will already be paying for the LPC/SQE.
Original post by Thunderhouse
Thank you for this response. One of the firms I have a VS with recruit almost all of their vacation schemers onto training contract which I why I say a virtual certainty - you are right though, as even a very small chance of it falling through is still a possibility.

Firm sponsorship would be an interesting avenue. I suppose you would have to do a very good job of proving to them that an LLM would add value to the firm overall - a difficult task - especially considering they will already be paying for the LPC/SQE.


True, but you never know. Alternately they may say they can't sponsor you but agree to take you on as a "deferred" TC after you finish your LLM, if you figure out the funding for that yourself?
Would there still be no career benefit at all when it comes to an NQ and several years PQ position - would a lateral etc. come easier to someone with Cambridge on their CV than just an undergrad from an ex-poly? I have heard many say your uni becomes completely irrelevant once you qualify so this does make me question the value of an LLM at an albeit far more prestigious institution than my undergrad.
G'day - nice to finally see a thread where I have some definitive and pretty unambiguous advice to give!

(1) Do not do the LLM if you don't love law and value it for its own sake. The only course with genuine clout at top City law firms is the Ox BCL, and even then it's limited (unless you desperately want to go down the litigation solicitor-advocate route at a couple of US firms). You will not become more "hireable" because of an LLM at Cambridge and it represents a very considerable chunk of cash to burn.

(2) If you had £20k "spare" to spend on something to improve your value to firms, learn about something tech-related or area-related. Even this is a bit tenuous, but the hirers at another City firm generally don't think "wow we need more Oxbridge grads", they say "we're weak in X area, let's see if we can laterally hire some value-add". Some firms see this in "tech" and "AI" - I'm personally sceptical about this for various reasons, but it seems to be a big trend at the moment. Alternatively, if you became someone who just knew everything there was to know about e.g. Private Equity or Oil and Gas and then worked very hard at your prospective current trainee firm, that would make you a more attractive hire than an LLM.
Original post by barrister1996
G'day - nice to finally see a thread where I have some definitive and pretty unambiguous advice to give!

(1) Do not do the LLM if you don't love law and value it for its own sake. The only course with genuine clout at top City law firms is the Ox BCL, and even then it's limited (unless you desperately want to go down the litigation solicitor-advocate route at a couple of US firms). You will not become more "hireable" because of an LLM at Cambridge and it represents a very considerable chunk of cash to burn.

(2) If you had £20k "spare" to spend on something to improve your value to firms, learn about something tech-related or area-related. Even this is a bit tenuous, but the hirers at another City firm generally don't think "wow we need more Oxbridge grads", they say "we're weak in X area, let's see if we can laterally hire some value-add". Some firms see this in "tech" and "AI" - I'm personally sceptical about this for various reasons, but it seems to be a big trend at the moment. Alternatively, if you became someone who just knew everything there was to know about e.g. Private Equity or Oil and Gas and then worked very hard at your prospective current trainee firm, that would make you a more attractive hire than an LLM.

The BCL would also be an option (do have an application in with ox). Whilst I have saved up and invested over 20k during my time at university, I would rather not put this towards further education if I don't have to - unless there is a very clear argument on a cost-benefit basis, which would seem not to be the case here.

I appreciate your advice re becoming a specialist - this will certainly be my aim going forward.

Whilst it is safe to say I am thoroughly fascinated by the law on an academic level, I have always preferred work over study and so am now pretty set on pursuing my training contract posthaste! This has been very helpful, thank you.

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