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Why do people dislike the left?

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Original post by Vapordave
don't forget vegan sausage rolls

Exactly these idiots will cry over anything, even when it doesn't affect them in the slightest, and then have the cheek to call other people snowflakes. It's laughable.
Original post by alexbarnxtt
well the left is the authority on logically fallacious ad-hominems, but go off.

and the right is not?

Original post by Stark°3000
I dunno what I would consider myself tho 🤔
What would you consider a socialist democrat? Like A.O.C or Bernie Sanders

the political situation in the US complicates this a lot

Original post by Mikos
No one on the right was even upset about sausage rolls. Piers Morgan’s personality is an ITV puppet used to generate controversy in order to attract views and have something to talk about, and does not really represent most “right wing” people’s views. I don’t think he believed half of what he’s said, and long term acquaintances of his have said the same.

mr potato head?
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Original post by Moonlight rain
Ofc I know that but the ones who are think they’re superior.

You can be very left wing and hold racist views.
Original post by Mikos
You can be very left wing and hold racist views.

Aye. It's important to realise subconscious racial and prejudicial biases we've been systemically brought into without consent or complete understanding. It's nothing to be inherently ashamed of in that context, but it's definitely something we should help one another overcome. After all increasing alienation is only going to create more apathetic and antagonistic people.
Original post by BiggestLoser21
Leftists tend to be people on so called far left which in actuality are generally left wing. SJWs is a buzzword for literally anything about social justice but typically, it’s about liberals (who are centre left) who try to understand social justice without the proper knowledge.


Makes sense and I would agree with you. It would be interesting to know why some people use the terms interchangeably when In reality they could be completely unrelated.
Same here. But then again, it comes down to what definition people use to describe the terms. I find them too ambiguous so generally choose not to pick a firm side. I just have my own beliefs and opinions and that’s that.
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At least left wing complains about actual, pressing issues like racial inequality, conflict etc. Granted some of the complaining is unimportant crap, but the right wing are much worse at complaining about things that don't affect them at all, like Same-Sex marriage/adoption and vegan sausage rolls etc.
Original post by Stark°3000
I dunno what I would consider myself tho 🤔
What would you consider a socialist democrat? Like A.O.C or Bernie Sanders

Bernie's a Social Democrat. He was probably a socialist back when he was an activist, but yeah in that regard politics is a long game especially when it comes to the fabricated nonsense the red scare created. AOC would also be considered as a social democrat. A socialist is someone who wants individual workers to have personal ownership of their means of production. At best AOC and Bernie Sanders can only propose things such as utility reforms and increased taxes on the rich. Policies that help begin to shift balance of power into the hands of the working class, but this is different from proletariat owning their own Labour value.
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Original post by finlay291202
At least left wing complains about actual, pressing issues like racial inequality, conflict etc. Granted some of the complaining is unimportant crap, but the right wing are much worse at complaining about things that don't affect them at all, like Same-Sex marriage/adoption and vegan sausage rolls etc.

The British right very very rarely ever talks about same sex marriage. It’s not a big issue on the right here at all. In fact, the vast majority of right wing figures in the UK are supportive of same sex marriage and adoption.
The vegan sausage roll thing was something that Piers Morgan complained about, not out of genuine anger, but because he is playing a character to stir up controversy and get more viewers. His own long term acquaintances have said that he doesn’t actually believe what he says.
I guess I would be on the left but I still do think that the free-market system just needs a little more regulation put in place.

I know this is gonna sound silly but AS economics has just made me so confused on where I am politically.
On the one hand, you've got the free market which does satisfy people's wants and needs however, sometimes, due to the profit-motive, the free-market fails to allocate scarce resources at the socially optimum level of output and there can be other issues such as exploitation of workers, regulatory capture, pollution and environmental costs etc.
Government intervention certainly does help with these issues by holding firms accountable for failing to provide goods and services at the socially optimal level of output mostly through regulation and taxation.

The free market also does help improve the quality and innovation of goods and services due to competition for firms.
I feel like Government intervention would probably lead to less innovation tho...

Uuuurgh but culturally, I guess I would be leftist/liberal (they both share the same view culturally but the difference is the economic view).
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Well it is, if the reasons behind it are important issues. It's better to overreact to important issues than underreact.
So when are you going to grow out of your bubble?
At least you are honest :h:
You got some odd stereotypes, isn’t the whole point of being a student starting to learning about the world.l? Would you prefer they just keep their mouth shut and obey their superiors like most adults do? Is this the kind of society you want?

That’s what I don’t get about Conservatives. They encourage free-speech as long as it’s something they agree with. Then they complain that the left does the same thing??
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Original post by Stark°3000
I guess I would be on the left but I still do think that the free-market system just needs a little more regulation put in place.

I know this is gonna sound silly but AS economics has just made me so confused on where I am politically.
On the one hand, you've got the free market which does satisfy people's wants and needs however, sometimes, due to the profit-motive, the free-market fails to allocate scarce resources at the socially optimum level of output and there can be other issues such as exploitation of workers, regulatory capture, pollution and environmental costs etc.
Government intervention certainly does help with these issues by holding firms accountable for failing to provide goods and services at the socially optimal level of output mostly through regulation and taxation.

The free market also does help improve the quality and innovation of goods and services due to competition for firms.
I feel like Government intervention would probably lead to less innovation tho...

Uuuurgh but culturally, I guess I would be leftist/liberal (they both share the same view culturally but the difference is the economic view).

Here's the issue. We tried regulations and in the end the rapid accumulation of capital at the expense as well as exploitation of the working class lead to rich people buying ads in politics and bribing candidates to gradually chip away at said regulations until they eventually became useless. Einstein said something about the definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over whilst expecting different results. Regulations alone aren't sustainable. We need to democracy the idea of commodification and make sure everyone is aware of where exactly their hard earn working tax payer money is going into the pockets of.
Original post by Mesopotamian.
Makes sense and I would agree with you. It would be interesting to know why some people use the terms interchangeably when In reality they could be completely unrelated.


It’s a tradition started a while ago. Students generally are a lot more liberal than the general population. Years ago, students were called naive for standing up for civil rights in America, a lot of them believed it was a possibility while adults labelled them as brainwashed. It’s no different now.
Original post by Mikos
The British right very very rarely ever talks about same sex marriage. It’s not a big issue on the right here at all. In fact, the vast majority of right wing figures in the UK are supportive of same sex marriage and adoption.
The vegan sausage roll thing was something that Piers Morgan complained about, not out of genuine anger, but because he is playing a character to stir up controversy and get more viewers. His own long term acquaintances have said that he doesn’t actually believe what he says.

When the bill was introduced in 2013, half of the tory MPs voted against it, and there are tories like JRM who still don't agree with it. So 'the vast majority' is somewhat of an exaggeration, if not a lie.

Granted Piers may not have actually been offended by it, after all he is a professional ****stirrer, but there were people who were saying ****e like "Worlds gone mad!!!" simply because a dietary alternative that they didn't even have to buy or eat was on offer.

Also whenever LGBT+ people ask people to use their pronouns, or a boy wears a dress or whatever, there is a tidal wave of right wing lunatics giving it the "Teens used to be fighting in wars back then" ****e, as if fighting in a world war is a desirable situation.

Most of the right-wing are traditionalist lunatics who are, for some reason, petrified of any form of social progression.
Original post by Stark°3000
So from what I gathered, leftist- people who believe that there is a ruling class in society and the free market exploits them, they want gender equality, support LGBTQ community, want more progressive taxes and government intervention?

Liberal- they support LGBTQ community, want gender equality, but do think that there are benefits to keeping capatilst markets/free markets and don't want as much government intervention as leftists?


Not really. Liberals are capitalists, and advocate for liberalised markets however they do not delude themselves into advocating for a 'truly' free market. This is because very few people who advocate for the free market truly understand what that entails. An truly free market is a case of 'the strong do as they will, and the weak suffer what they must' truly free markets are a market without regulation, without standards, safeguards or rules. In a truly free market you may sell anything you want too at any price, for any reason. Chattel slavery, child labour, unfair working conditions, corporate currency, generational contracts, indentured servitude, all of these thing are not only present but necessary for a totally free market. I only bring this up as very few people who advocate for a fully free market understand the implications of that argument.
They still are not comparable.

Wanting citizens to have the same rights regardless of sexuality, race, gender etc. and not wanting the US to bomb innocent people is not the same as complaining about a ****ing vegan sausage roll or some pronouns.
They brought in the bill and half of their MPs voted against it. I'm not sure that meets the definition of 'the vast majority supporting it'

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