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Hi all! Pretty happy about being allocated to EBH.

Would appreciate any info on EBH foundation school in general, but more specifically Lister and Watford.
Also are there any hospitals/rotations that one should avoid?
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Congratulations

I got an FPP place in EBH so will be based in Chelmsford for the two years! So excited to get to know people who i'll be working with/near!

I don't know a whole lot about the area or the deanery itself, so would also be super grateful for any info/tips!
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Would also love info about PAH/Lister! Anyone thinking about commuting from London? I have been looking up train season tickets and they seem extortionate like 3-4 grand 😅 Anyone thinking of doing the same?
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Congratulations

I got an FPP place in EBH so will be based in Chelmsford for the two years! So excited to get to know people who i'll be working with/near!

I don't know a whole lot about the area or the deanery itself, so would also be super grateful for any info/tips!
Oh I heard Chelmsford is lovely! Congrats to you too!
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Would also love info about PAH/Lister! Anyone thinking about commuting from London? I have been looking up train season tickets and they seem extortionate like 3-4 grand 😅 Anyone thinking of doing the same?
I was very keen to do that until I saw the price of the season ticket tbh. Now I'm leaning towards just staying in a nearby town depending on where I am allocated. I heard Hitchin and St Albans are great places to live but I've visited neither 😂
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Oh I heard Chelmsford is lovely! Congrats to you too!
Thank you - i'm really excited about it!

There were a few posts about hospitals in EBH from a thread started a couple years ago, might be helpful?

Original: @Adralia


"Harlow/PAH
- Transport: close to London, direct train from Harlow Town Station to Liv St/Stratford (30-40min). Hospital is fairly close to station, it's also commutable from Epping on the Central line but it's harder.
- Accomm: quite basic and the wifi was absolutely shocking when I was there, so bad that they told us to get dongles, but I'm told they've fixed that now!
- Town: Harlow itself is dire (my hometown) so ... I'd advise living elsewhere OR accepting that you will never ever want to go out in the town itself!
- Hospital: the F1s I met there liked it, the A&E is ranked worst in the country for waiting times but my friend who went to placement there said it was great (lots of patients, no beds = lots of time) but the patients WILL be aggy at you. Paeds I was told was LOVELY.

Broomfield/Chelmsford
- Transport: the hospital is a 20 min bus ride from the actual train line, which has a fast and a slow train from London. I heard tell of F1s living in Canary Wharf and getting there in 30 mins, but I'm not sure how.
- Accomm: quite a lot and from what my friends said, quite basic.
- Town: Chelmsford > Harlow, has an ice skating rink, has more to do.
- Hospital: has a nice new atrium with food and coffee, but the wards themselves are older and more basic. Never was on placement there but can ask friends about particular specialties!

Colchester
- Transport: furthest away from London, 1 hr + on train, took me 1 hr 15 from Stratford. The hosp is about 30 min walk from the station?
- Accomm: basic - mine had a tiny kitchen, rooms were a decent size but shared bathrooms.
- Town: Colchester has history but no nightlife. Nice area but can be boring, has a large squaddie population which can make A&E .. interesting.
- Hospital: I had paeds there which was lovely, the F1s seemed really supported and liked working there (if not living there). My friend there said F1/F2 ITU was great (was like being a med student again)

Southend
- Transport: hour from London on the train, hour driving from Stratford. Hospital is a walk from the train station (I think Westcliffe was closest). Traffic can be annoying though if you're commuting in
- Accom: basic, 20 mins walk away from the hospital itself. Ensuites and large-ish kitchen, but we had 8 to a flat so not much space each. Not modern.
- Town: Southend is a seaside town and is nice in the summer. Has more to do and a bit more of a town and nicer/worse areas.
- Hospital: Every F1 i met there seemed to enjoy it, my colorectal F1s seemed PARTICULARLY chilled out! Anaesthetics and ITU all had really friendly consultants and regs"



Original: @cerebralsurgeon

"Hi. So yh I have generally heard that Luton is a very good and well supported hospital for foundation doctors to work at. It also has very good links into London as well.

With Watford I have only heard negative reviews for it. Some people have told me that it has poor support network for the foundation doctors there and that often they are left on their own devices. I have even heard cases where fy1 and fy2 doctors have to lead a ward round. People from my med school who didn’t intercalate work at watford now and they have told me instances where they come home after their shift and have difficulties coping due to the lack of support."
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Thank you - i'm really excited about it!

There were a few posts about hospitals in EBH from a thread started a couple years ago, might be helpful?

Original: @Adralia


"Harlow/PAH
- Transport: close to London, direct train from Harlow Town Station to Liv St/Stratford (30-40min). Hospital is fairly close to station, it's also commutable from Epping on the Central line but it's harder.
- Accomm: quite basic and the wifi was absolutely shocking when I was there, so bad that they told us to get dongles, but I'm told they've fixed that now!
- Town: Harlow itself is dire (my hometown) so ... I'd advise living elsewhere OR accepting that you will never ever want to go out in the town itself!
- Hospital: the F1s I met there liked it, the A&E is ranked worst in the country for waiting times but my friend who went to placement there said it was great (lots of patients, no beds = lots of time) but the patients WILL be aggy at you. Paeds I was told was LOVELY.

Broomfield/Chelmsford
- Transport: the hospital is a 20 min bus ride from the actual train line, which has a fast and a slow train from London. I heard tell of F1s living in Canary Wharf and getting there in 30 mins, but I'm not sure how.
- Accomm: quite a lot and from what my friends said, quite basic.
- Town: Chelmsford > Harlow, has an ice skating rink, has more to do.
- Hospital: has a nice new atrium with food and coffee, but the wards themselves are older and more basic. Never was on placement there but can ask friends about particular specialties!

Colchester
- Transport: furthest away from London, 1 hr + on train, took me 1 hr 15 from Stratford. The hosp is about 30 min walk from the station?
- Accomm: basic - mine had a tiny kitchen, rooms were a decent size but shared bathrooms.
- Town: Colchester has history but no nightlife. Nice area but can be boring, has a large squaddie population which can make A&E .. interesting.
- Hospital: I had paeds there which was lovely, the F1s seemed really supported and liked working there (if not living there). My friend there said F1/F2 ITU was great (was like being a med student again)

Southend
- Transport: hour from London on the train, hour driving from Stratford. Hospital is a walk from the train station (I think Westcliffe was closest). Traffic can be annoying though if you're commuting in
- Accom: basic, 20 mins walk away from the hospital itself. Ensuites and large-ish kitchen, but we had 8 to a flat so not much space each. Not modern.
- Town: Southend is a seaside town and is nice in the summer. Has more to do and a bit more of a town and nicer/worse areas.
- Hospital: Every F1 i met there seemed to enjoy it, my colorectal F1s seemed PARTICULARLY chilled out! Anaesthetics and ITU all had really friendly consultants and regs"



Original: @cerebralsurgeon

"Hi. So yh I have generally heard that Luton is a very good and well supported hospital for foundation doctors to work at. It also has very good links into London as well.

With Watford I have only heard negative reviews for it. Some people have told me that it has poor support network for the foundation doctors there and that often they are left on their own devices. I have even heard cases where fy1 and fy2 doctors have to lead a ward round. People from my med school who didn’t intercalate work at watford now and they have told me instances where they come home after their shift and have difficulties coping due to the lack of support."
Thanks for this! Really useful info, the only one I haven’t heard much about is Lister if there’s anyone who has found out anything about that
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Congratulations

I got an FPP place in EBH so will be based in Chelmsford for the two years! So excited to get to know people who i'll be working with/near!

I don't know a whole lot about the area or the deanery itself, so would also be super grateful for any info/tips!
SNAP! See you in August!!!
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Hi potential future colleagues
It's so hard to decide when I don't know anyone who has had rotations // placements in any of the hospitals I'm considering haha
PAH vs Lister?! what to go for??!
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Hi potential future colleagues
It's so hard to decide when I don't know anyone who has had rotations // placements in any of the hospitals I'm considering haha
PAH vs Lister?! what to go for??!
I personally just went for the jobs I was most keen on, rather than the hospitals! I'm hoping that strategy pays off
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Does anyone have a spreadsheet of all of the jobs? Really struggling to rank them all! Would be most appreciated!
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I've been trying to look for some guidance everywhere but can't find any - do we have to rank every preference in the deanery? Or can we just rank the jobs we want the most and leave the rest in the 'no preference' column on Oriel? Thanks for the help!
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At the bottom of this page (link below), there should be a link to a document with all the East Anglia and EBH jobs. Filter out East Anglia and that should hopefully help https://heeoe.hee.nhs.uk/foundation/training-programme
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I've been trying to look for some guidance everywhere but can't find any - do we have to rank every preference in the deanery? Or can we just rank the jobs we want the most and leave the rest in the 'no preference' column on Oriel? Thanks for the help!
They recommend ranking as many as possible, if not all. Depending on your FPAS, there may people people with a higher score who have ranked all your jobs first (i.e., they would get them before you). If you didn't get one of your top 20, for example, you would be allocated to a random rotation so it's worth ranking as many as possible. Hope that makes sense
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They recommend ranking as many as possible, if not all. Depending on your FPAS, there may people people with a higher score who have ranked all your jobs first (i.e., they would get them before you). If you didn't get one of your top 20, for example, you would be allocated to a random rotation so it's worth ranking as many as possible. Hope that makes sense
Ahh that does make sense, thank you so much!!
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Hey, does anyone know how feasible it is to commute to Lister from NW London?

So far I have ranked the Watford jobs top but I am disappointed with the combinations. O&G doesn't come with a general surgery rotation which is annoying when these are my top two jobs and I am not sure which I want to specialise in yet. I prefer the look of the jobs in Lister but I am worried it will be too far to commute. Any advice would be appreciated
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Also very uninspired by Watford's jobs/rotations
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Anyone got Lister?
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Watford gang?
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Congrats everyone! If anyone's at Broomfield come say hiiiiiiii ^_^
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