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I think Ms Patel may be getting the Parliamentary draftsman to do a little overtime this weekend. She won't be able to (and probably wouldn't want to) sell her current draft to the Commons. She has had a salutary lesson in placing over-reliance on police judgement.

However, there is a fundamental difference between right and left regarding protests. The left think that unless there is extreme violence (and the left's definition of a peaceful protest usually excludes several thousands pounds of criminal damage and a number of minor assaults) protesters are justified in interfering with the lawful activities of others. The right doesn't. You have no right to block my path, disrupt my business, interfere with my daily activities.
What is a protest and what are historically protests designed to do? Stall the system in order to address social grievances being ignored via the state. Also yeah when the right protests they kill people. I can pull out lazy false-dichotomies too y'know?
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I accept it's been 40 years at least, but Yes Minister / Yes Prime Minister was very anti-Left, or at least, anti- the tabloid stereotypes of leftism. It was sympathetic to Thatcherism and featured a Tory PM and his lovable but roguish deputies.
Tory PM? I always had Jim Hacker down as heir to Callaghan.

Citizen Smith satirised left wing street agitators and the SWP types.
But it made them figures of fun for a generation. Effectively, Corbyn has had to grow old to get out of that stereotype.

Lennie Henry was left leaning but also satirised the Left.
The point I made at the beginning was I think they all did or, like Ben Elton, they satirised themselves. But equally you can find plenty of Bob Monkhouse or Two Ronnies (or any of the other 19th hole comics of the period) jokes about Margaret Thatcher. The exception (and the BBC generally avoided him like the plague) was Bernard Manning who was vicious in his humour.


Have I Got News For You was anti-establishment and arguably left-leaning for much of the 90s and 00s, but memorably of course it boosted our current Prime Minister to widespread public knowledge.
Hislop's a Tory.
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A public broadcaster which both left leaning and right leaning individuals pay taxes into you mean?
Interesting thought. Most of the "controversial" comedy hated by the right on the BBC is generally lefty liberal stuff. I suppose I have to wonder, what does right wing comedy look like? Or do conservatives just have no humour? Or does a true Tory only laugh when they are taking money off the poor?
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What is a protest and what are historically protests designed to do? Stall the system in order to address social grievances being ignored via the state.
But why should I or others suffer collateral damage for something that you have unilaterally decided is sufficiently important to cause me harm.

And of course many protests aren't directed at the state. They are directed at individuals or organsations doing something entirely lawful.
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Agreed. He was just a plain sexist racist and appealled to sexist racists.
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The Mash report for me was a B grade Daily show in its style (with a much lower budget and segments) and indeed Kumar a C grade Trever Noah. Unfortunately while Noah is preachy and OTT on race issues he's also coherent and regularly tries to balance his love for liberalism with the likes of Lauren Southern. The show even has Roy Wood Jnr making comedy out of race.

Having not watched the Mash Report since its first run in 2017 it sounds like not a lot has changed and it's just doubled down. We have plenty of left wing comedians on the BBC (indeed it's rare they have a right winger). One cannot be too angry that the BBC finally does not have a raving liberal at its head as it has the last 20 years.

On holding government to account, Newsnight is overtly liberal if not socialist.
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I suppose I have to wonder, what does right wing comedy look like?
https://www.gylesbrandreth.net/2021-tour
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I think Ms Patel may be getting the Parliamentary draftsman to do a little overtime this weekend. She won't be able to (and probably wouldn't want to) sell her current draft to the Commons. She has had a salutary lesson in placing over-reliance on police judgement.

However, there is a fundamental difference between right and left regarding protests. The left think that unless there is extreme violence (and the left's definition of a peaceful protest usually excludes several thousands pounds of criminal damage and a number of minor assaults) protesters are justified in interfering with the lawful activities of others. The right doesn't. You have no right to block my path, disrupt my business, interfere with my daily activities.
Anti abortion picketers are socially conservative and they didn't used to have a philosophical objection to getting in the way of people lawfully going into abortion clinics... they just don't often do it anymore because everyone's got a camera in their cellphone.
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Anti abortion picketers are socially conservative and they didn't used to have a philosophical objection to getting in the way of people lawfully going into abortion clinics... they just don't often do it anymore because everyone's got a camera in their cellphone.
I don't think they ever did it a great deal in this country, clearly they did in America, simply because there was so few of them who were able to rationalise that position. In this country the anti-abortion lobby almost exclusively collects names on petitions by erecting (licensed) stalls in tiown centres.
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Is that right wing comedy, or just comedy for the over-75s? (have a feeling it will turn out those are basically the same thing)
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~Have you ever thought of getting into comedy nulli?
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Is that right wing comedy, or just comedy for the over-75s? (have a feeling it will turn out those are basically the same thing)
He is a man who has made his living from humour for all of his life except for the 5 years he spent as a Conservative MP.

The fact that his comedy won't be a mirror inage of left wing humour, I doubt that he will attack socialism or tell a funny story about the money supply, really doesn't mean anything. He is clearly a Tory funnyman.
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But why should I or others suffer collateral damage for something that you have unilaterally decided is sufficiently important to cause me harm.

And of course many protests aren't directed at the state. They are directed at individuals or organsations doing something entirely lawful.
There's no should and or ought about it riots have always been chaotic nonetheless effective means of stalling the state to address the concerns of a society. This is not the same as saying it's okay that a private family business gets burned down but I can't say I'd weep if said property was tied to someone that's stealing billions from both the taxes of the public and private working-class citizenry of this country. I believe that protests and riots are a reaction to systemic oppression as well as violence whilst I may not always agree with the methods in which people engage in them I understand the frustrations that fuel them to be that way.
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This is censorship plain and simple and not at all dissimilar to what goes on in totalitarian regimes like Russia, China, etc.
ITV or C4 can pick it up. Or RT.
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I this the most disturbing revelation about this whole thing is people actually watch this show...

Even other lefties show how dire the comedy situation is:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jCbD6MZqQWM
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Tory PM? I always had Jim Hacker down as heir to Callaghan.

Hislop's a Tory.
Watch the series again - it's completely clear that Hacker is a Tory.

Are you joking about Hislop? If anything he's a Liberal, but he always says he hates all political parties equally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Hi...olitical_views
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Watch the series again - it's completely clear that Hacker is a Tory.

Are you joking about Hislop? If anything he's a Liberal, but he always says he hates all political parties equally.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ian_Hi...olitical_views
Hacker is a Tory I'd agree albeit not wildly. Hislop is of the right although he's more a Cameroon and not terribly impressed by the modern lot.
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Hacker is a Tory I'd agree albeit not wildly. Hislop is of the right although he's more a Cameroon and not terribly impressed by the modern lot.
Yeah, Jim H was as if a centrist successor to Heath had been chosen instead of Margaret - a sort of Lord Carrington figure, but more desperate. His character was actually very like the part John Major later played in real life and every bit as hopeless.

I think some of you are projecting onto Hislop - read Private Eye regularly for a few years and it's unmistakeable that he's no friend of the Tories.
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I think Ian Hislop preferred we go back to Pitt the Younger and Spencer Perceval.

But anyway... Back to the Mash Report.
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