Will Labour ever come to power again?

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Starship Trooper
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NAMBLA is not a left wing organisation. What's: 'left wing' about it in terms of economic and or social policy?

In addition are all the examples you can think of is two? I never said there were no left wing paedophiles and yes I'm equally against them as I an any other group. Again you know this is a false-dichotomy logical fallacy you're attempting to imply cause of a few individuals that my default an entire broad spectrum of politics spanning centuries supports the act of child abuse. Sad thing is you probably think you're actually genuinely sane for thinking in this manner even if you don't actually think all people on the left are paedophiles. How about we have a look what goes on in the US GQP Republican party shall we. Starting with known nonce extraordinaire Roy Moore.
Well some nonces argue that they are an oppressed sexual minority and that as the left are champions for advocating for sexual and minority rights they should fight for them too. Now I'm not saying that lefties support that I'm only saying this makes them a more preferable option.

That said there are nonces in all political parties sadly. I suspect in part because they are able to be easily blackmailed and controlled by hostile forces like Epstein.

Lol you won't accept right wing news sites as credible but then post Reddit as your source ? LMAO
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Well some nonces argue that they are an oppressed sexual minority and that as the left are champions for advocating for sexual and minority rights they should fight for them too. Now I'm not saying that lefties support that I'm only saying this makes them a more preferable option.

That said there are nonces in all political parties sadly. I suspect in part because they are able to be easily blackmailed and controlled by hostile forces like Epstein.

Lol you won't accept right wing news sites as credible but then post Reddit as your source ? LMAO
And what does that imply regarding broader leftist spaces that'll completely disavow them on account of their morally reprehensible and abhorrent behavior? You're somehow managing to create a strawman and introducing a false-dichotomy at the same exact time. It's quite the feat I must admit.

Of course: never denied otherwise. Next. Also was Trump controlled by Jeffrey Epstein competing for the virginity of a 13 year old? Oh I forgot Trump's the holy golden calf you worship my mistake. I'll cease pretending as if you've any individual agency.

Cause right wing news usually has a poor to low and worse non-existent record regarding level of fact-checking. I do like how you're committing the Genetic fallacy at the end there though really helps prove how the far-right can't debate for s***.
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Well some nonces argue that they are an oppressed sexual minority and that as the left are champions for advocating for sexual and minority rights they should fight for them too. Now I'm not saying that lefties support that I'm only saying this makes them a more preferable option.

That said there are nonces in all political parties sadly. I suspect in part because they are able to be easily blackmailed and controlled by hostile forces like Epstein.

Lol you won't accept right wing news sites as credible but then post Reddit as your source ? LMAO
I wouldn’t waste your time. Look at the post history. Every single thread hijacked to spread left wing lunatic theory. Obviously trolling.
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I wouldn’t waste your time. Look at the post history. Every single thread hijacked to spread left wing lunatic theory. Obviously trolling.
Neither of you debate in good faith. You're both far right partisan hacks.
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Neither of you debate in good faith. You're both far right partisan hacks.
Great stuff pal, take your right wing hate speech elsewhere.
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Great stuff pal, take your right wing hate speech elsewhere.
No I like free-speech unlike you.
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Labour or 'old labour' used to be the party for the working class which does not seem to be the case anymore. We joke in college that labour should change its name from 'new labour' to the 'new woke party'.

It's a shame really because I want to see a political party that want to implement policies around social mobility and the problems around economic disparity in the UK (North-South Divide ECT).

I'm from an overwhelmingly Labour supported constituency but I can identify more with Conservatives and Plaid Cymru policies and candidates lately.
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If we are talking about whether Labour can govern as a coalition then the answer is yes, all it requires is the Tories to lose a fair amount of votes and Labour to betray the union.

If we talking about whether Labour can win an election and win a good majority with then the answer is probably not in the current political climate.
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If we are talking about whether Labour can govern as a coalition then the answer is yes, all it requires is the Tories to lose a fair amount of votes and Labour to betray the union.

If we talking about whether Labour can win an election and win a good majority with then the answer is probably not in the current political climate.
Large unionised workplaces are much reduced, certainly in the private sector. Many socialist/social democratic parties in western Europe are in decline, thought the beneficiaries have not always been right wing parties because of proportional representation systems. Look at how poorly the party socialiste or even France Insoumise do in France, or the German SPD, or the socialist parties in the Netherlands. The only example I can think of where a left-wing party has gained in the last couple of years was Sinn Fein in the Dail in the Irish Republic.

Unless there is some change to the UK government voting system, Tory majorities could be here for a long time.
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