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Authoritarian Capitalist.

74% Markets.
83% Nationalist
69% Authority
54% Tradition
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Authoritarian Capitalist.

74% Markets.
83% Nationalist
69% Authority
54% Tradition
That's pretty cool, do you think that's an accurate label? (Unlike the other two , you actually are a neoCon Do you think that's a more accurate description )

What's your stance on Democracy?
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That's pretty cool, do you think that's an accurate label? (Unlike the other two , you actually are a neoCon Do you think that's a more accurate description )

What's your stance on Democracy?
My actual label would be a moderately socially conservative nationalist and fiscally conservative orange booker so more or less. Yeah I’m quite comfortable with being a moderate neocon albeit I don’t care for purism (like Cummings I consider zealots to be useful idiots who do more harm than good mostly), the ends are more important than the means.

I strongly support basic representative democracy and indeed I believe large swathes of the autocratic world to be culturally inferior.
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My actual label would be a moderately socially conservative nationalist and fiscally conservative orange booker so more or less. Yeah I’m quite comfortable with being a moderate neocon albeit I don’t care for purism (like Cummings I consider zealots to be useful idiots who do more harm than good mostly), the ends are more important than the means.
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Ok. Zealotry is in the eye of the beholder to some extent. Nobody really thinks they're extremists unless they're doing it to be edgy or have some sort of problem. Gove and Cummings are both regularly cited as zealous and I think there's some truth to that.

I strongly support basic representative democracy and indeed I believe large swathes of the autocratic world to be culturally inferior
Why on earth would you think that?
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I got centrist, not entirely surprised but then again i dont put that much stock in such quizes as most of my answers are completely subject to circumstances :lol:
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I doubt many Tories will get that result though 😉
I got "Liberal"
Liberal conservatism ftw.
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yeah that's expected.
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Ok. Zealotry is in the eye of the beholder to some extent. Nobody really thinks they're extremists unless they're doing it to be edgy or have some sort of problem. Gove and Cummings are both regularly cited as zealous and I think there's some truth to that.

Why on earth would you think that?
Because dictatorships don't just happen because a tyrant attains support, they happen because the people of particular nations do not place sufficient value on basic liberties. It's no coincidence that most of the modern autocratic countries previously fell to socialism.

Not to mention that the Arab world has barely produced a single wealthy free and fair democracy.
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Because dictatorships don't just happen because a tyrant attains support, they happen because the people of particular nations do not place sufficient value on basic liberties. It's no coincidence that most of the modern autocratic countries previously fell to socialism.

Not to mention that the Arab world has barely produced a single wealthy free and fair democracy.
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Because dictatorships don't just happen because a tyrant attains support, they happen because the people of particular nations do not place sufficient value on basic liberties. It's no coincidence that most of the modern autocratic countries previously fell to socialism.

Not to mention that the Arab world has barely produced a single wealthy free and fair democracy.
I don't enter entirely agree. I think it's largely dependent upon circumstances. Observe elements of Trump and Brexit. Authoritarianism arrises in large part in due to deep dissatisfaction in the government and Institutions. This has largely been curtained by the Tories adopting some authoritarian policies - many of which remain highly popular. You can also see this in Europe with the rise of right wing populist parties driven by the prioritisation of 'basic liberties' (,of criminals, minorities) over what is actually benefitting ordinary people.

If the Tories embraced a more authoritarian platform they could win easily.

But In any case you said they were culturally inferior. How is Russia/ China/ Turkey/ Iran/ Hungary today CULTURALLY inferior to the modern UK?
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Out of boredom I did the test from the point of view of UK political parties and got the following results: actually shocking how left wing the UK parties have become.

(I should add I'm basing this more on what parties have said rather than their actual actions which will no doubt be more pragmatic/ diluted. )

Conservatives: Centrist
Labour: Libertarian Socialist
LibDem: Social Libertarian
Green: Libertarian Communist

The US:
GOP: Capitalist Fascism 🤣🤣🤣
Democrats: Social Liberalism
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Out of boredom I did the test from the point of view of UK political parties and got the following results: actually shocking how left wing the UK parties have become.

(I should add I'm basing this more on what parties have said rather than their actual actions which will no doubt be more pragmatic/ diluted. )

Conservatives: Centrist
Labour: Libertarian Socialist
LibDem: Social Libertarian
Green: Libertarian Communist

The US:
GOP: Capitalist Fascism 🤣🤣🤣
Democrats: Social Liberalism
Like a lot of online "political tests", it's very US-centric. I'm a Tory and I get Centrism/Liberalism depending on how I vary my answers.
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Like a lot of online "political tests", it's very US-centric. I'm a Tory and I get Centrism/Liberalism depending on how I vary my answers.
I think that's about right though.

Despite some exceptions the conservative party is in most ways Conservative in name only*- with many of its voters like yourself being basically liberals- many of whom would vote Clinton/ Biden over Trump.

*This is in some part due to it bring ruthlessly pragmatic/ corrupt arguably.
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Despite some exceptions the conservative party is in most ways Conservative in name only*
That depends on what you take conservatism to be. I think that American conservatism and British conservatism are alike in name only: the former is deeply ideological (with ideological commitments to all the familiar Republican positions) while the latter is defined by its opposition to ideology and to radicalism of any kind. British conservatism is not inherently incompatible with liberalism.

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- with many of its voters like yourself being basically liberals- many of whom would vote Clinton/ Biden over Trump.
I would indeed have voted for Biden over Trump, as would over three quarters of Britons, including almost two thirds of Tories: https://www.politico.eu/article/not-...ld-trump-poll/

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*This is in some part due to it bring ruthlessly pragmatic/ corrupt arguably.
Of course! The Conservative party is Britain's most successful electoral force!

Nonetheless, the quiz is still biased in various ways. Similarly to the political compass, it seems to think that if you support any government intervention in the market at all, that you lean left economically.
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That depends on what you take conservatism to be. I think that American conservatism and British conservatism are alike in name only: the former is deeply ideological (with ideological commitments to all the familiar Republican positions) while the latter is defined by its opposition to ideology and to radicalism of any kind. British conservatism is not inherently incompatible with liberalism.

I would indeed have voted for Biden over Trump, as would over three quarters of Britons, including almost two thirds of Tories: https://www.politico.eu/article/not-...ld-trump-poll/

Of course! The Conservative party is Britain's most successful electoral force!

Nonetheless, the quiz is still biased in various ways. Similarly to the political compass, it seems to think that if you support any government intervention in the market at all, that you lean left economically.
Historically to be a conservative you need to have certain beliefs regarding God, Authority and Human Nature. This is what the term specifically referred to when the whole idea of left/ right wing came up around the time of the French Revolution.

Various things have happened since then which have changed the way people think about this (Eg a group of liberal radical freemasons called the Founding Father's took over the US and a chap called Reagan tried to equate conservativism with Free markets and Liberal Democracy.

That is to say that yes probably a majority of people who identify as conservatives are actually closer to liberals.

If you don't think the modern Tory party is ideological and isn't radical I have some magic beans you might be interested in....

The Conservative party may be Britain's most powerful electoral force but it isn't conservative.
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Historically to be a conservative you need to have certain beliefs regarding God, Authority and Human Nature. This is what the term specifically referred to when the whole idea of left/ right wing came up around the time of the French Revolution.
British conservatism is defined in terms of Burke's philosophy, who was himself a conservative Whig.

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Various things have happened since then which have changed the way people think about this (Eg a group of liberal radical freemasons called the Founding Father's took over the US and a chap called Reagan tried to equate conservativism with Free markets and Liberal Democracy.
I would not call either Reagan or Thatcher "conservatives". Too far to the right economically.

(Original post by Starship Trooper)
That is to say that yes probably a majority of people who identify as conservatives are actually closer to liberals.
Liberalism and conservatism are not in conflict. Prominent conservative thinkers such as Burke and Oakeshott held a range of liberal positions.

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If you don't think the modern Tory party is ideological and isn't radical I have some magic beans you might be interested in....
Most people in politics are committed to some ideology; that goes for the Conservative party just as it goes for every other party. When I said conservatives are opposed to encompassing ideologies, I intentionally used "conservative" with a lower-case 'c'.
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I got libertarian socialist. I'm an anarcho-syndicalist so that seems pretty accurate

Equality: 88.5%
World: 79.4%
Liberty: 86.9%
Progress: 87.2%
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I got libertarian socialist. I'm an anarcho-syndicalist so that seems pretty accurate

Equality: 88.5%
World: 79.4%
Liberty: 86.9%
Progress: 87.2%
Cool username , but heres what Lenin wrote about anarchists:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...901/dec/31.htm

The Bolsheviks would have probably put you in a gulag 🤣
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Cool username , but heres what Lenin wrote about anarchists:

https://www.marxists.org/archive/len...901/dec/31.htm

The Bolsheviks would have probably put you in a gulag 🤣
Trust me, i know.

Lenin also oversaw the massacre of the anarchist black army during the Russian civil war (who actually set up a pretty successful anarchist society called Makhnovia in a large region of ukraine before being crushed by the soviets - Its really interesting and definitely worth a google whenever you get the time). However, to be fair to Lenin, Trotsky was the one who ordered it - but Lenin obviously wouldve known what was going to happen and could've stopped it if he wanted to.

Also, he ordered the Krondstadt rebellion be put down in 1921. And - whilst the rebellion wasnt explicitly anarchist - it did have anarchist roots and was a key ideology of many of the rebels. They also briefly set up a lot of libertarian socialist political structures in the area they occupied.

Also, the communist republican forces supported by Stalin in the Spanish civil war, betrayed the Anarchists and completely destroyed their territories - despite the fact they were both allied against Franco's nationalists (I know that's Stalin, not Lenin but its the bolsheviks nonetheless).

(By the way, Spain also had a successful anarchist society, set up by the C.N.T during the civil war in areas like Catalonia. Not many people know about it but its one of the most fascinating historical events that ive ever looked into, so i'd definitely give that one a google too.)

I dont like Lenin, i think he just swapped the capitalist ruling class of Tsarist russia with a new ruling class of state bureaucrats.

But idk dude...I just used it cus i thought it was a good username.
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Historically to be a conservative you need to have certain beliefs regarding God, Authority and Human Nature. This is what the term specifically referred to when the whole idea of left/ right wing came up around the time of the French Revolution.

Various things have happened since then which have changed the way people think about this (Eg a group of liberal radical freemasons called the Founding Father's took over the US and a chap called Reagan tried to equate conservativism with Free markets and Liberal Democracy.

That is to say that yes probably a majority of people who identify as conservatives are actually closer to liberals.

If you don't think the modern Tory party is ideological and isn't radical I have some magic beans you might be interested in....

The Conservative party may be Britain's most powerful electoral force but it isn't conservative.
And if they are to be called "conservative", I'd say it's no brand of conservatism I care for much.
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