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A student warms a mixture of methanal HCHO and acidified potassium manganate. The student observes gas bubbles. Explain this observation in terms of electrode potentials and equilibria. Include overall equations in your answer.

1 = CO2 + 2H+ + 2e- —>HCOOH (EV =-0.11)
2 HCOOH + 2H+ + 2e- —> HCHO + H2O (EV= -0.03)
3 Ag+ + e- —-> Ag (EV= +0.80)
4 MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- —> Mn2+ + 4H2O (EV= +1.51)

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Methanoic acid HCOOH can be used in a fuel cell. The fuel HCOOH is supplied at one electrode and the oxidant (oxygen) at the other electrode.

The standard cell potential for this fuel cell is 1.34V.

The overall reaction is shown below:

HCOOH + 1/2O2 -> H2O + CO2

Deduce the half equation for the reaction at the oxygen electrode and calculate the standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell.

Can someone help me idk where to start on this question
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Methanoic acid HCOOH can be used in a fuel cell. The fuel HCOOH is supplied at one electrode and the oxidant (oxygen) at the other electrode.

The standard cell potential for this fuel cell is 1.34V.

The overall reaction is shown below:

HCOOH + 1/2O2 -> H2O + CO2

Deduce the half equation for the reaction at the oxygen electrode and calculate the standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell.

Can someone help me idk where to start on this question
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
Sorry how do u know that methanal is being oxidised? And also thank you so much, this is so helpful
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
Also if you can, would you be able to help me with this question too:

Methanoic acid, HCOOH, can be used in a fuel cell. The fuel, HCOOH, is supplied at one electrode and the oxidant (oxygen) at the other electrode. The standard cell potential for this fuel cell is 1.34V.

The overall reaction is shown below:

HCOOH + 1/2O2 -> H2O + CO2

Using the information below use the half equation for the reaction at the oxygen electrode and calculate the standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell.

1 CO2 + 2H+ + 2e- —>HCOOH (EV =-0.11)
2 HCOOH + 2H+ + 2e- —> HCHO + H2O (EV= -0.03)
3 Ag+ + e- —-> Ag (EV= +0.80)
4 MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- —> Mn2+ + 4H2O (EV= +1.51)
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Sorry how do u know that methanal is being oxidised? And also thank you so much, this is so helpful
Acidified potassium manganate is an oxidising agent, and methanal is an aldehyde which can be oxidized to methanoic acid/carboxylic acid (unlike ketones)
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HA, being a while since that happened
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Also if you can, would you be able to help me with this question too:

Methanoic acid, HCOOH, can be used in a fuel cell. The fuel, HCOOH, is supplied at one electrode and the oxidant (oxygen) at the other electrode. The standard cell potential for this fuel cell is 1.34V.

The overall reaction is shown below:

HCOOH + 1/2O2 -> H2O + CO2

Using the information below use the half equation for the reaction at the oxygen electrode and calculate the standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell.

1 CO2 + 2H+ + 2e- —>HCOOH (EV =-0.11)
2 HCOOH + 2H+ + 2e- —> HCHO + H2O (EV= -0.03)
3 Ag+ + e- —-> Ag (EV= +0.80)
4 MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- —> Mn2+ + 4H2O (EV= +1.51)
Yikes, not quite sure about this, but this is how i will do it:
Overall charge =+1.34, and we know that the oxygen is acting as the oxidizing agent here (the oxidant), thus the HCOOH should be reduced in the other electrode, which is what is happening with equation number 2.
Let's set standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell as X.
So oxygen is gonna get reduced (since it's oxidizing at it's electrode), so based on reduced V-oxidized V, X-(-0.03)=1.34 X+0.03=1.34 X=+1.31V
(let me know if i get it right )
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Yikes, not quite sure about this, but this is how i will do it:
Overall charge =+1.34, and we know that the oxygen is acting as the oxidizing agent here (the oxidant), thus the HCOOH should be reduced in the other electrode, which is what is happening with equation number 2.
Let's set standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell as X.
So oxygen is gonna get reduced (since it's oxidizing at it's electrode), so based on reduced V-oxidized V, X-(-0.03)=1.34 X+0.03=1.34 X=+1.31V
(let me know if i get it right )
Thank you!! I will. Thank you so much you really helped me
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
You know where you balanced the first equation, when I balanced mine I got HCHO + MnO4- + 6H -> Mn2+ + 3H2O + HCOOH

what did I do wrong ?
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You know where you balanced the first equation, when I balanced mine I got HCHO + MnO4- + 6H -> Mn2+ + 3H2O + HCOOH

what did I do wrong ?
The number of electrons in each half-equation needs to be the same.
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
There is no mention of using silver ions in the question.

The methanoic acid is further oxidised by excess manganate(VII) in acid.
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There is no mention of using silver ions in the question.

The methanoic acid is further oxidised by excess manganate(VII) in acid.
OH, yea yea yea
That makes more sense, i thought i had to use all the equations. (don't )
So the last one is (5HCOOH)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(8H2O)+(5CO2) and 1.51+0.11=1.62V
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OH, yea yea yea
That makes more sense, i thought i had to use all the equations. (don't )
So the last one is (5HCOOH)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(8H2O)+(5CO2) and 1.51+0.11=1.62V
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Also if you can, would you be able to help me with this question too:

Methanoic acid, HCOOH, can be used in a fuel cell. The fuel, HCOOH, is supplied at one electrode and the oxidant (oxygen) at the other electrode. The standard cell potential for this fuel cell is 1.34V.

The overall reaction is shown below:

HCOOH + 1/2O2 -> H2O + CO2

Using the information below use the half equation for the reaction at the oxygen electrode and calculate the standard electrode potential for the oxygen half cell.

1 CO2 + 2H+ + 2e- —>HCOOH (EV =-0.11)
2 HCOOH + 2H+ + 2e- —> HCHO + H2O (EV= -0.03)
3 Ag+ + e- —-> Ag (EV= +0.80)
4 MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- —> Mn2+ + 4H2O (EV= +1.51)
charco could you also help me with this question so I can gain a better understanding?
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Well first of all, the gas/bubbles formed are definitely the CO2, so that's gotta be part of the last equation, And since we're starting by oxidizing methanal (an aldehyde) to methanoic acid using manganate ions, that's gotta be first.
So the first equation after balancing everything out is (5HCHO)+(2MnO4-)+(6H+)-> (2Mn2+)+(3H2O)+(5HCOOH) with change in voltage being (1.51+0.03=+1.54V) (as methanal is getting oxidized and manganate reduced, and reduce V- oxidize V) positive so thermodynamically feasible.
With methanoic acid obtained, next we use the silver ions to get CO2 (gas).
(HCOOH)+(2Ag+)-> (2Ag)+(CO2)+(2H+) with change in V being (0.8+0.11=+0.91V) (reduce V- oxidize V) Positive so thermodynamically feasible and the gas is CO2.
For the change in voltage of the first equation you did: 1.51+0.03 = 1.54, but 0.03 is negative so would it not be 1.51 + (-0.03) = 1.48 v

Or is that wrong ?
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It’s 1.51-(-0.03), double negative so it’s plus
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It’s 1.51-(-0.03), double negative so it’s plus
Ohhh sorry silly mistake 😅I got it thank you!
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