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#41
(Original post by nulli tertius)
Reagan assassinated in 1981 perhaps coming on the heels of the murder of Lennon?
Reagan assassinated in 1981 perhaps coming on the heels of the murder of Lennon?
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#43
(Original post by QE2)
Why does anyone need a gun for "self defence"?
Studies show that people who keep a gun at home are four times more likely to be shot than those who do not, so you are actually much safer without one.
Why does anyone need a gun for "self defence"?
Studies show that people who keep a gun at home are four times more likely to be shot than those who do not, so you are actually much safer without one.
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#44
(Original post by QE2)
This is just NRA pedantry. Semi and fully auto are almost identical in operation, and semis are capable of firing up to 180rpm.
They both automatically load a new round into the chamber after every shot, so both are automatic.
This is just NRA pedantry. Semi and fully auto are almost identical in operation, and semis are capable of firing up to 180rpm.
They both automatically load a new round into the chamber after every shot, so both are automatic.
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#45
(Original post by DiddyDec)
The difference is far from meaningless when it comes to legality and ownership of automatic weapons.
The original statement was paternaly wrong.
The difference is far from meaningless when it comes to legality and ownership of automatic weapons.
The original statement was paternaly wrong.
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#46
(Original post by QE2)
Whenever someone opposed to mass shootings uses the term "automatic weapons", the people comfortable with these massacres alway jump on the terminology. In the context of the number of people dying, the distinction is pretty much meaningless.
Whenever someone opposed to mass shootings uses the term "automatic weapons", the people comfortable with these massacres alway jump on the terminology. In the context of the number of people dying, the distinction is pretty much meaningless.
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#47
(Original post by Fullofsurprises)
I do think though that if a gunman toting an automatic rifle managed to get into the House or Senate and mow down a bunch of the people's reps, that might tip them into some kind of 'action'.
I do think though that if a gunman toting an automatic rifle managed to get into the House or Senate and mow down a bunch of the people's reps, that might tip them into some kind of 'action'.
2nd Amendment! Cold Dead Hands!!! Criminals with guns!!! Etc!!!!
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#48
(Original post by looloo2134)
The majority of those people its accident or suicide attempts very few are people taking to kill other people.
The majority of those people its accident or suicide attempts very few are people taking to kill other people.
Accidents make up a tiny proportion of deaths. It is about 40% homicide and 60% suicide.
The US has the highest firearm homicide rates in the first world, despite having the highest private gun ownership of any country by a long margin.
The guns owned for self defence clearly don't protect their owners from being killed by someone else with a gun.
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#49
(Original post by DiddyDec)
You can argue till you are blue in the face but the fact remains the term is wrong. I will not be discussing this matter further as it has no merit.
You can argue till you are blue in the face but the fact remains the term is wrong. I will not be discussing this matter further as it has no merit.
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#50
(Original post by QE2)
The US has the highest firearm homicide rates in the first world,
The US has the highest firearm homicide rates in the first world,
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#51
(Original post by Occitanie)
Pretty sure it's Brazil.
Pretty sure it's Brazil.
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#52
Just under 100 people die on average a day in fatal motor vehicles in the US that has pretty good road safety
The odd 10 people killed in a supermarket isn't some huge loss of life
Pissed a lot of lefties when they found out the guy from Syria..
But who is really to blame..
Who started interfering in Syria causing terrorism, mass refugees and extremism at home? Obama. Before him Bush, before him Clinton.
All of this was created by Western foreign policy and never does anyone hold our leaders acountable for the mess they create.
Yes this also goes for Brenton Tarrant.. for he was motivated just like the Colorado shooter by revenge.
It's just a never ending cycle.. but the root cause of it as I said our governments are to blame.
The odd 10 people killed in a supermarket isn't some huge loss of life
Pissed a lot of lefties when they found out the guy from Syria..
But who is really to blame..
Who started interfering in Syria causing terrorism, mass refugees and extremism at home? Obama. Before him Bush, before him Clinton.
All of this was created by Western foreign policy and never does anyone hold our leaders acountable for the mess they create.
Yes this also goes for Brenton Tarrant.. for he was motivated just like the Colorado shooter by revenge.
It's just a never ending cycle.. but the root cause of it as I said our governments are to blame.
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#53
(Original post by QE2)
This is just NRA pedantry. Semi and fully auto are almost identical in operation, and semis are capable of firing up to 180rpm.
They both automatically load a new round into the chamber after every shot, so both are automatic.
This is just NRA pedantry. Semi and fully auto are almost identical in operation, and semis are capable of firing up to 180rpm.
They both automatically load a new round into the chamber after every shot, so both are automatic.
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#54
(Original post by DiddyDec)
You can argue till you are blue in the face but the fact remains the term is wrong. I will not be discussing this matter further as it has no merit.
You can argue till you are blue in the face but the fact remains the term is wrong. I will not be discussing this matter further as it has no merit.
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#55
is it just me or does the BBC read more and more like a tabloid newspaper every day 
at least, in the first article about the Atlanta shooting; i mean, second paragraph says 'Officials cannot yet confirm if the attack, in which six Asian women were killed, was racially motivated' and in a later paragraph 'Police also noted it is still too early in the investigation to definitively state a motive and that the suspect appeared to have been acting alone' -- yet the whole article is leading and implies a motive for the accused including the chosen photograph at the top. no one knows what the motive is yet. all we know is the accused claims to have a 'sex addiction' - which may or may not be relevant - and 'he loved God and guns'. admittedly the sex addiction is suspect, but personally just getting kinda irritated with the way the news reports on criminal activity. it's failed journalism to write 'we don't know the motive yet' then write a leading story; like so much for objectivity and accurate news writing. jmho
at least, in the first article about the Atlanta shooting; i mean, second paragraph says 'Officials cannot yet confirm if the attack, in which six Asian women were killed, was racially motivated' and in a later paragraph 'Police also noted it is still too early in the investigation to definitively state a motive and that the suspect appeared to have been acting alone' -- yet the whole article is leading and implies a motive for the accused including the chosen photograph at the top. no one knows what the motive is yet. all we know is the accused claims to have a 'sex addiction' - which may or may not be relevant - and 'he loved God and guns'. admittedly the sex addiction is suspect, but personally just getting kinda irritated with the way the news reports on criminal activity. it's failed journalism to write 'we don't know the motive yet' then write a leading story; like so much for objectivity and accurate news writing. jmho
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From what seems to be the only liberal left at the New York Times, Bret Stephens:
The Atlanta Massacre and the Media’s Morality Plays
The Atlanta Massacre and the Media’s Morality Plays
And the motive, while still requiring scrutiny, is confessed: The killer claims to have been struggling with a sex addiction at odds with his evangelical beliefs. According to The Associated Press, “All three businesses where people were fatally shot Tuesday have detailed recent reviews on an online site that leads users to places that provide sexual services.”
So how do we get headlines like “The Atlanta Spa Shootings and the Year of Hatred Against Asian Americans” on a news story from U.S. News & World Report? And why has reporting of the incident by so many news outlets emphasized the race of six of the victims when there is, as yet, only one rumored bit of evidence (in a South Korean newspaper) that the victims were attacked on account of their race?
So how do we get headlines like “The Atlanta Spa Shootings and the Year of Hatred Against Asian Americans” on a news story from U.S. News & World Report? And why has reporting of the incident by so many news outlets emphasized the race of six of the victims when there is, as yet, only one rumored bit of evidence (in a South Korean newspaper) that the victims were attacked on account of their race?
What can one conclude from this limited data? Not a lot, except that the idea that white supremacy is what haunts Asian-Americans rests on empirically thin ice. Like so much else in public discourse today, it’s another capital-T ideological Truth in search of lower-case-t factual truths to validate its predetermined, overstretched hypotheses. That it has the laudable goal of “raising awareness” and “combating hate” does not relieve journalists of the responsibility to report facts scrupulously, not play to fears in the service of a higher good.
In the meantime, readers deserve to know how the perpetrator was able to buy the murder weapon on the day of his killing spree. They ought to learn more about the religious mania that allegedly fueled his toxic anxieties. They deserve to know just how widespread the sex trade is in massage spas, and why local authorities seem to look the other way. And they ought to see where the evidence may yet lead, including the still-open possibility of hidden racial animus.
All of this would be journalism in which the public could have confidence. Instead we have morality plays.
In the meantime, readers deserve to know how the perpetrator was able to buy the murder weapon on the day of his killing spree. They ought to learn more about the religious mania that allegedly fueled his toxic anxieties. They deserve to know just how widespread the sex trade is in massage spas, and why local authorities seem to look the other way. And they ought to see where the evidence may yet lead, including the still-open possibility of hidden racial animus.
All of this would be journalism in which the public could have confidence. Instead we have morality plays.
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#57
(Original post by Napp)
I mean you're completely wrong and are doing little more than mistaking what a full-auto weapon is, whether you like it or not there is a serious difference between semi and full auto weapons. You believe otherwise if you like though.
I mean you're completely wrong and are doing little more than mistaking what a full-auto weapon is, whether you like it or not there is a serious difference between semi and full auto weapons. You believe otherwise if you like though.
It's also worth pointing out to the pedants that "automatic rifle" applies to both semi-auto and full-auto versions.
The AR-15 that can be legally bought over the counter in the US is an "automatic rifle".
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#58
(Original post by anon1852)
Just under 100 people die on average a day in fatal motor vehicles in the US that has pretty good road safety
Just under 100 people die on average a day in fatal motor vehicles in the US that has pretty good road safety
The odd 10 people killed in a supermarket isn't some huge loss of life
Pissed a lot of lefties when they found out the guy from Syria..
BTW, he was hardly "from Syria" as his family moved to the US when he was 3.
But who is really to blame..
Who started interfering in Syria causing terrorism, mass refugees and extremism at home? Obama. Before him Bush, before him Clinton.
Who started interfering in Syria causing terrorism, mass refugees and extremism at home? Obama. Before him Bush, before him Clinton.
All of this was created by Western foreign policy and never does anyone hold our leaders acountable for the mess they create.
Yes this also goes for Brenton Tarrant.. for he was motivated just like the Colorado shooter by revenge.
It's just a never ending cycle.. but the root cause of it as I said our governments are to blame.
It's just a never ending cycle.. but the root cause of it as I said our governments are to blame.
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#59
(Original post by QE2)
Given that they can be identical in every way, apart from one small change which removes the need to pull the trigger for each shot, and that full-auto can become semi-auto at the flick of a switch, perhaps you could explain how a full-auto and semi-auto rifle is so completely different?
It's also worth pointing out to the pedants that "automatic rifle" applies to both semi-auto and full-auto versions.
The AR-15 that can be legally bought over the counter in the US is an "automatic rifle".
Given that they can be identical in every way, apart from one small change which removes the need to pull the trigger for each shot, and that full-auto can become semi-auto at the flick of a switch, perhaps you could explain how a full-auto and semi-auto rifle is so completely different?
It's also worth pointing out to the pedants that "automatic rifle" applies to both semi-auto and full-auto versions.
The AR-15 that can be legally bought over the counter in the US is an "automatic rifle".
If you dont know the difference between a gun that requires only one trigger pull vs. one that requires multiples that is an astounding level of ignorance for someone who is making pretenses at knowing what he is talking about.
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#60
(Original post by Napp)
I dont understand how this is so confusing for you? a semi-auto is factually different from a full-auto. You can try and be as pedantic as you please about it but you are still utterly wrong and no amount of word play is going to change that.
If you dont know the difference between a gun that requires only one trigger pull vs. one that requires multiples that is an astounding level of ignorance for someone who is making pretenses at knowing what he is talking about.
I dont understand how this is so confusing for you? a semi-auto is factually different from a full-auto. You can try and be as pedantic as you please about it but you are still utterly wrong and no amount of word play is going to change that.
If you dont know the difference between a gun that requires only one trigger pull vs. one that requires multiples that is an astounding level of ignorance for someone who is making pretenses at knowing what he is talking about.
2. Where have I claimed that there is no factual difference between a semi and a full auto?
I include my original post for you to read again as you seem to have entirely missed it. Feel free to ask for help if you are still struggling.
Given that they can be identical in every way, apart from one small change which removes the need to pull the trigger for each shot, and that full-auto can become semi-auto at the flick of a switch, perhaps you could explain how a full-auto and semi-auto rifle is so completely different?
It's also worth pointing out to the pedants that "automatic rifle" applies to both semi-auto and full-auto versions.
The AR-15 that can be legally bought over the counter in the US is an "automatic rifle".
Oh yes, and *ssprroiinnggg!*
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