Parents protest outside school because of cartoon of Muhammad

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"The Purpose of Life " must have known what they were doing and the danger they were putting him and his family in when they did it.
Julia Hartley Brewer was interviewing a representative of them yesterday and asked him if he agreed that it was a worse crime to kill the teacher than to show the image of Mohamad. He danced around the subject and prevaricated not answering.
She asked him again, same result. After four or five tries she said "I'll ask you one ;last time. Is it worse to kill somebody than to show an image of Mohamad". He said "Of course"
He certainly gave the impression he was boxed into a corner and that it was a grudging half answer and one he didn't want to give.
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Do we have a confirmation of exactly what cartoon it was. I've seen people saying it was the Hebdo one but heard someone on the radio yesterday described it with a bomb in his hat, That was the Danish one.
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What about the limitless people who find the tenants of Islam offensive?
They are ignorant racist Islamophobes, obvs. (It's "tenets" BTW, unless you are referring to the people renting the flat above the mosque).
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I'd like to see a counter protest where placards showing the cartoon are featured. Then we'll inevitably see the true character of those protesting the original action.
Nobody, no individual, or institution should kowtow to a religion or public pressure like this. Not political correctness due to demographics and fear of offence. That will be the death of us all.
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I'd like to see a counter protest where placards showing the cartoon are featured. Then we'll inevitably see the true character of those protesting the original action.
Let's be honest, that would most likely set the country ablaze wherever there are Muslim communities. It's very likely fear of violence that is holding back police making arrests for Covid regulation breeches outside the school as it is.
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If people are calling for a ban on such provocative cartoons of religous figureheads because they are 'offensive' to certain people or communities, why not ban religions which promote hatred and intolerance to certain people in society?

This religion promotes intolerance towards homosexuals, views women as lesser individuals compared to men and calls non believers/apostates the 'worst of all beasts'.

But this isnt a conversation people are ready to have and I wonder why...
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(Original post by caravaggio2)
"The Purpose of Life " must have known what they were doing and the danger they were putting him and his family in when they did it.
Julia Hartley Brewer was interviewing a representative of them yesterday and asked him if he agreed that it was a worse crime to kill the teacher than to show the image of Mohamad. He danced around the subject and prevaricated not answering.
She asked him again, same result. After four or five tries she said "I'll ask you one ;last time. Is it worse to kill somebody than to show an image of Mohamad". He said "Of course"
He certainly gave the impression he was boxed into a corner and that it was a grudging half answer and one he didn't want to give.
Do you have the source for this?
I've always been under the impression that if people cannot be upfront, then they're hiding their true colours.

Personally, If someone said 'yes' or 'of course' to this, I'd be notifying the police/anti terror hotline straight away.
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Do you have the source for this?
I've always been under the impression that if people cannot be upfront, then they're hiding their true colours.

Personally, If someone said 'yes' or 'of course' to this, I'd be notifying the police/anti terror hotline straight away.
Read it again. He was agreeing (eventually) that it is a worse crime to kill somebody than to show an image of Mohamad.
(No I haven't a link i was listening live in the car. )
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Let's be honest, that would most likely set the country ablaze wherever there are Muslim communities. It's very likely fear of violence that is holding back police making arrests for Covid regulation breeches outside the school as it is.
I know and that is the point. Of course the school and the teacher are deemed to be in the wrong in the eyes of those protesting and their sympathisers* but in reality they are the aggressors, pushing their religious agenda on a community and a country where it is both unwelcome and unsuitable.

*Their sympathisers meaning the left and far left and those who generally appease religious encroachment.
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I do wonder what the school would deem as an "appropriate" cartoon of mohammed looks like.
Don't forget that in the religion of peace and love you cannot create pictures of the Prophet as you may offend his followers.

Hence all cartoons of the Prophet should be branded as inappropriate and banned.
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If people are calling for a ban on such provocative cartoons of religous figureheads because they are 'offensive' to certain people or communities, why not ban religions which promote hatred and intolerance to certain people in society?

This religion promotes intolerance towards homosexuals, views women as lesser individuals compared to men and calls non believers/apostates the 'worst of all beasts'.

But this isnt a conversation people are ready to have and I wonder why...
You are wrong here unfortunately.
Islam is a perfect religion. The religion of peace and love where there is no gender discrimination and everyone is equal.
Everyone is welcome to join this perfect religion and way of life.
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(Original post by tan030)
If people are calling for a ban on such provocative cartoons of religous figureheads because they are 'offensive' to certain people or communities, why not ban religions which promote hatred and intolerance to certain people in society?

This religion promotes intolerance towards homosexuals, views women as lesser individuals compared to men and calls non believers/apostates the 'worst of all beasts'.

But this isnt a conversation people are ready to have and I wonder why...
That would mean banning Christianity and Judaism as well.

That is not a conversation we are having, I do wonder why....
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Remind us again when Jewish extremists have killed Westerners for satirising Moses?
I can remind you off times when Jewish extremists have blown Westerners to pieces and left your meat for the vultures....

In general, violence from the two other Abrahamic religons does not provoke the same hatred.
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I can remind you off times when Jewish extremists have blown Westerners to pieces and left your meat for the vultures....

In general, violence from the two other Abrahamic religons does not provoke the same hatred.
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That would mean banning Christianity and Judaism as well.

That is not a conversation we are having, I do wonder why....
So, I ask again. Remind us when Jewish extremists have killed Westerners for satirising Moses? I'll make it easier for you: Doesn't have to be Moses. Any element of Judaism.
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So, I ask again. Remind us when Jewish extremists have killed Westerners for satirising Moses? I'll make it easier for you: Doesn't have to be Moses. Any element of Judaism.
Jewish scripture specifically calls for death via stoning for blasphemy. It has not been carried out in the west (I didn't say it has.)

My point was that Jewish extremists have killed Westerners in general many times. We never hear about it though as they're not Muslim.
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Remind us again when Jewish extremists have killed Westerners for satirising Moses?
Jewish extremists tend to achieve their goals via peaceful means (in the UK anyway.)

E.g the Professor at Bristol. Suddenly they had MP's, Lords, and ministers shouting for his dismissal.

Communities flex the muscle that they have.
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Jewish extremists tend to achieve their goals via peaceful means (in the UK anyway.)

E.g the Professor at Bristol. Suddenly they had MP's, Lords, and ministers shouting for his dismissal.

Communities flex the muscle that they have.
For your third paragraph, yes it is correct. MPs, Lords, and the rest, asked for his dismissal. If it was so simple then everyone would be dismissed at the first instance...
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For your third paragraph, yes it is correct. MPs, Lords, and the rest, asked for his dismissal. If it was so simple then everyone would be dismissed at the first instance...
Are dismissals over offence morally valid?

I do not believe they are.

It does seem like the pro freedom of speech crowd are happy to wrap the Jewish community in cotton wool though. No one was getting their knickers in a twist when the Jewish community actively conspired to get a man dismissed....
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Lmaooo, I got reported on a thread focused on free speech. Oh, the irony :lol:
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My point was that Jewish extremists have killed Westerners in general many times. We never hear about it though as they're not Muslim.
Can you provide some modern examples of Jewish extremists killing Westerners?

We have Zionist terrorism such as the King David bombing in 1946 and multiple examples of Jewish extremists targeting Palestinians or other Jews.
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