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The thing is, people did not vote for Brexit based on the economic argument. Critics constantly measure the 'success' of Brexit based on trade prosperity when the bigger argument was perceived sovereignty and immigration. I said this the other day on another thread, but I feel the vast majority of people who voted Brexit knew they would not be substancially better off when it comes to economics.

I appreciate some people may actively oppose Brexit but you can't measure the success of something when only looking at a narrow range of factors.
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Your views sound quite Soviet, they were keen on keeping all of their 'citizens' inside their country. Not since the English Civil War have British people been dictated to about needing permission to go abroad to live.
This you’ve misunderstood me. I’m definitely for freedom of movement and I despise that this has been taken from me against my will.
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This you’ve misunderstood me. I’m definitely for freedom of movement and I despise that this has been taken from me against my will.
Oh sorry I thought you were being ironic.
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Expecting to have freedom of movement is a middle class entitlement? Why should I be restricted due to Brexit know-it-all’s who have chosen to remove my freedom of movement?
Yes it. You should accept that in a democracy we elected a government committed to ending free movement.
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Yes it. You should accept that in a democracy we elected a government committed to ending free movement.
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Yes it. You should accept that in a democracy we elected a government committed to ending free movement.
An electorate that were tremendously misinformed about what ending that free movement would actually mean by the looks of things.
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An electorate that were tremendously misinformed about what ending that free movement would actually mean by the looks of things.
Most people don't live in a foreign land or have a second home. I doubt they care.
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Most people don't live in a foreign land or have a second home. I doubt they care.
They don’t, but they have jobs, that last time I checked relied on an economy that hasn’t shut itself out and erected major barriers with its closest trading partner. But hey who, our halfwit electorate voted for this, my jobs safe, so who am I to judge?
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The power of low information voters is something to celebrate now, it seems. Because democracy? :dontknow:
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Most people don't live in a foreign land or have a second home. I doubt they care.
This. There has been no downsides worth complaining about.

Brexit has been a tremendous success: We got blue passports, ended the EU gravy train , triggered millions of liberals and got the most right wing government since Thatcher (albeit that's not saying much and they need to move more to the right - they can start by giving Nigel Farage a well deserved knighthood)
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They don’t, but they have jobs, that last time I checked relied on an economy that hasn’t shut itself out and erected major barriers with its closest trading partner. But hey who, our halfwit electorate voted for this, my jobs safe, so who am I to judge?
This is a debate about freedom of movement, not brexit at large. We could have had brexit and kept freedom of movement, the Tory manifesto committed not to and it won a plurality of votes.
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This. There has been no downsides worth complaining about.

Brexit has been a tremendous success: We got blue passports, ended the EU gravy train , triggered millions of liberals and got the most right wing government since Thatcher (albeit that's not saying much and they need to move more to the right - they can start by giving Nigel Farage a well deserved knighthood)
Farage will probably never get a knighthood. He led a revolt against the party even if it was one many members supported.

Technically I did have to go without balsamic vinegar for a few weeks due to brexit delays however those dark days have passed.
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He betrayed the party.
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The only party he betrayed was reform when he gave up hundreds of seats in 2019 for nothing.
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???

The only party he betrayed was reform when he gave up hundreds of seats in 2019 for nothing.
Edited above, poor terminology.
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Brexit has been a tremendous success: We got blue passports,
Mine is red. And says "European Union" on the cover.

ended the EU gravy train
It is still running, but the UK no longer benefits, so we have to eat our overcooked beef dry.

triggered millions of liberals
In the same way people are "triggered" when they are made redundant or are defrauded of their life savings? I guess so.

and got the most right wing government since Thatcher (albeit that's not saying much and they need to move more to the right - they can start by giving Nigel Farage a well deserved knighthood)
They aren't really right wing. They have no ideology other than "what's in it for me?"
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This is a debate about freedom of movement, not brexit at large.
I am forbidden from even leaving the country. Brexit fail!

We could have had brexit and kept freedom of movement, the Tory manifesto committed not to and it won a plurality of votes.
People voted Tory because they are xenophobes, idiots, or both. Most Tory voters wouldn't recognise freedom of movement if it gave them a job in Germany.
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This is a debate about freedom of movement, not brexit at large. We could have had brexit and kept freedom of movement, the Tory manifesto committed not to and it won a plurality of votes.
And it won those plurality of votes based off voters that had absolutely no idea they were voting to make themselves poorer.
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Mine is red. And says "European Union" on the cover.


It is still running, but the UK no longer benefits, so we have to eat our overcooked beef dry.


In the same way people are "triggered" when they are made redundant or are defrauded of their life savings? I guess so.


They aren't really right wing. They have no ideology other than "what's in it for me?"
Me too for now. But I've seen the new one and it's great!

It's still running (give it a while) but we're not paying for it. We'll be in a better position when the wretched thing collapses.

If brexit has completely ruined you in such a way I can only presume you're a complete failure. My sympathy is for the people/ businesses struggling due to the lockdown not Brexit.

Agreed , hence my disclaimer about "not saying much" though there's still some improvement even if it's superficial and not anyway near as awesome as Trump (for now)
You can say the same about any politicians being in it for themselves. Another shortfall of Democracy...
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An electorate that were tremendously misinformed about what ending that free movement would actually mean by the looks of things.
they were informed
they didn't listen and brushed it off project fear
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Me too for now. But I've seen the new one and it's great!

It's still running (give it a while) but we're not paying for it. We'll be in a better position when the wretched thing collapses.

If brexit has completely ruined you in such a way I can only presume you're a complete failure. My sympathy is for the people/ businesses struggling due to the lockdown not Brexit.

Agreed , hence my disclaimer about "not saying much" though there's still some improvement even if it's superficial and not anyway near as awesome as Trump (for now)
You can say the same about any politicians being in it for themselves. Another shortfall of Democracy...
is that it now sit here and hope everyone else becomes worse off than us
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