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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56585538
I can see this being the start of some controversy...
"Chairman Tony Sewell, an education consultant and ex-charity boss who led the review, said while there was anecdotal evidence of racism, there was no proof that there was "institutional racism" in Britain.
"No-one denies and no-one is saying racism doesn't exist", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"We found anecdotal evidence of this. However, evidence of actual institutional racism? No, that wasn't there, we didn't find that."
Dr Sewell added that the term "institutional racism" is "sometimes wrongly applied" as a "sort of a catch-all phrase for micro-aggressions or acts of racial abuse"."
(He's black by the way.. not that it should matter, but it does to many progressive campaigners. That means you can call him an uncle tom, instead of/and a racist)
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A quick look to me shows a fair few flaws in the report, at least to my eyes.. but that's for a later date. For now I'm just a bit shocked that the conservatives actually put out a very anti-woke report that, in my aspects, flies in the face of the direction of progressive opinion. E.g. BLM. It's pretty balanced in my eyes. There are acceptances that racism is still a problem, but also huge acknowledgements of how far we have come, especially in education. Balanced doesn't mean correct though, and I'm sure there are many issues with it.
For balance, Prof Kehinde Andrews - known to anyone who watches breakfast TV as the first name to call when you want an extremely racialised and progressive viewpoint on TV, Called it Nonsense. and a PR move to pretend racism doesn't exist.
I can see this being the start of some controversy...
"Chairman Tony Sewell, an education consultant and ex-charity boss who led the review, said while there was anecdotal evidence of racism, there was no proof that there was "institutional racism" in Britain.
"No-one denies and no-one is saying racism doesn't exist", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme.
"We found anecdotal evidence of this. However, evidence of actual institutional racism? No, that wasn't there, we didn't find that."
Dr Sewell added that the term "institutional racism" is "sometimes wrongly applied" as a "sort of a catch-all phrase for micro-aggressions or acts of racial abuse"."
(He's black by the way.. not that it should matter, but it does to many progressive campaigners. That means you can call him an uncle tom, instead of/and a racist)
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A quick look to me shows a fair few flaws in the report, at least to my eyes.. but that's for a later date. For now I'm just a bit shocked that the conservatives actually put out a very anti-woke report that, in my aspects, flies in the face of the direction of progressive opinion. E.g. BLM. It's pretty balanced in my eyes. There are acceptances that racism is still a problem, but also huge acknowledgements of how far we have come, especially in education. Balanced doesn't mean correct though, and I'm sure there are many issues with it.
For balance, Prof Kehinde Andrews - known to anyone who watches breakfast TV as the first name to call when you want an extremely racialised and progressive viewpoint on TV, Called it Nonsense. and a PR move to pretend racism doesn't exist.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-56585538
The main findings were:
The main findings were:
- Children from ethnic communities did as well or better than white pupils in compulsory education, with black Caribbean pupils the only group to perform less well
- This success in education has "transformed British society over the last 50 years into one offering far greater opportunities for all"
- The pay gap between all ethnic minorities and the white majority population had shrunk to 2.3% overall and was barely significant for employees under 30
- Diversity has increased in professions such as law and medicine
- But some communities continue to be "haunted" by historic racism, which is creating "deep mistrust" and could be a barrier to success
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Nice to see a bit of good news after us spending the last 12 months sailing on a sea of bleedin misery. 👍😁
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(Original post by caravaggio2)
Nice to see a bit of good news after us spending the last 12 months sailing on a sea of bleedin misery. 👍😁
Nice to see a bit of good news after us spending the last 12 months sailing on a sea of bleedin misery. 👍😁
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(Original post by JOSH4598)
I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!
I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!
There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.
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(Original post by DSilva)
The government says the government are doing a grest job. How surprising.
The government says the government are doing a grest job. How surprising.
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
wishful thinking... There are many other black voices who are anti BLM, and they haven't exactly shut it down. How can they, they are quickly branded an uncle tom, told they are race traitors, have internalised racism, are just seeking favour from white people etc.
There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.
wishful thinking... There are many other black voices who are anti BLM, and they haven't exactly shut it down. How can they, they are quickly branded an uncle tom, told they are race traitors, have internalised racism, are just seeking favour from white people etc.
There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.
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(Original post by Occitanie)
Wasn't it independent?
Wasn't it independent?
So a government that doesn't believe institutional racism exists appoints a panel of people who don't believe institutional racism exists to produce a report saying institutional racism doesn't exist.
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(Original post by JOSH4598)
I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!
I agree - if ever there was something to shut down the BLM demands it's a report led by a black man saying institutional racism does not exist in the UK!
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(Original post by DSilva)
No. It was a government appointed commission led by someone who's on record for years stating they don't believe institutional racism exists.
So a government that doesn't believe institutional racism exists appoints a panel of people who don't believe institutional racism exists to produce a report saying institutional racism doesn't exist.
No. It was a government appointed commission led by someone who's on record for years stating they don't believe institutional racism exists.
So a government that doesn't believe institutional racism exists appoints a panel of people who don't believe institutional racism exists to produce a report saying institutional racism doesn't exist.
• Government wants everyone to think institutional racism is gone
• Government cherry-picks token black person who doesn’t believe in racism
• Research then cherry-picks quantifiable stats that paint the country in a positive light
Wasn’t it that young black man who was beaten to death by the police in Wales the other week and we still haven’t gotten the CCTV footage for it and his family weren’t allowed to see his body because of how it was manhandled? How do u quantify that? this country is exhausting not just for the racism that’s still present, but the way ethnic minorities are just constantly gaslighted. Like these are literally the same day...............
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Mistakenly posted twice but same sentiments
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
wishful thinking... There are many other black voices who are anti BLM, and they haven't exactly shut it down. How can they, they are quickly branded an uncle tom, told they are race traitors, have internalised racism, are just seeking favour from white people etc.
There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.
wishful thinking... There are many other black voices who are anti BLM, and they haven't exactly shut it down. How can they, they are quickly branded an uncle tom, told they are race traitors, have internalised racism, are just seeking favour from white people etc.
There are many good excuses that the race-activists will bring out to discredit this person, as always happens.
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(Original post by N. Auditoré)
well it’s not exactly difficult to discredit this person, calling the UK a ‘model majority white country’ is rather weird when some schools still ban ethnic hairstyles, people still face racism in their everyday lives and etc. They get discredited because when you’ve experienced racism firsthand and someone who should understand your own experiences tries to gaslight you and say you’re wrong it doesn’t exactly set a good look for them 🤡 what do you actually gain by working hard to discredit the experiences of so many? It really just does seem like he’s probably just some conservative craving favour from other ones
well it’s not exactly difficult to discredit this person, calling the UK a ‘model majority white country’ is rather weird when some schools still ban ethnic hairstyles, people still face racism in their everyday lives and etc. They get discredited because when you’ve experienced racism firsthand and someone who should understand your own experiences tries to gaslight you and say you’re wrong it doesn’t exactly set a good look for them 🤡 what do you actually gain by working hard to discredit the experiences of so many? It really just does seem like he’s probably just some conservative craving favour from other ones
The only real arguement I can see is for Canada. Australia, nah.. America.. nah.. Racial surveys constantly put us as the least racist in Europe when it comes to attitudes. South Africa? nah.. etc.
He does actually mention that racism still exists, especially day to day racism and online racism. But his point is that people confuse this for institutionalised racism.
For me, I think the report shows one thing we should all be proud of. Except one group, we live in a nation where minorities all have the chance to do as well as white pupils at school - and in fact do better. That is a pretty great thing right there for equality.
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"Children from ethnic communities did as well or better than white pupils in compulsory education, with black Caribbean pupils the only group to perform less well".
You don't need to commission a report to find this out lol, the stats are freely available online.
You don't need to commission a report to find this out lol, the stats are freely available online.
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(Original post by N. Auditoré)
well it’s not exactly difficult to discredit this person, calling the UK a ‘model majority white country’ is rather weird when some schools still ban ethnic hairstyles, people still face racism in their everyday lives and etc. They get discredited because when you’ve experienced racism firsthand and someone who should understand your own experiences tries to gaslight you and say you’re wrong it doesn’t exactly set a good look for them 🤡 what do you actually gain by working hard to discredit the experiences of so many? It really just does seem like he’s probably just some conservative craving favour from other ones
well it’s not exactly difficult to discredit this person, calling the UK a ‘model majority white country’ is rather weird when some schools still ban ethnic hairstyles, people still face racism in their everyday lives and etc. They get discredited because when you’ve experienced racism firsthand and someone who should understand your own experiences tries to gaslight you and say you’re wrong it doesn’t exactly set a good look for them 🤡 what do you actually gain by working hard to discredit the experiences of so many? It really just does seem like he’s probably just some conservative craving favour from other ones
Nobody is really suggesting that racism does not exist, what this report asserts is that this racism is not built into the system at an institutional level. That is to say that the report suggests that actually schools and employers have non-racist processes, it does not mean that somebody as an individual has not called you a (insert profanity).
This report was not designed to ask whether racism exists, it is whether racism exists institutionally.
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(Original post by fallen_acorns)
What other white countries would you rather he label the 'model'. If your picking from a group, and you say this is the model X/Y, its usually the best, that the rest should learn from. So if he is wrong, then where else?
The only real arguement I can see is for Canada. Australia, nah.. America.. nah.. Racial surveys constantly put us as the least racist in Europe when it comes to attitudes. South Africa? nah.. etc.
He does actually mention that racism still exists, especially day to day racism and online racism. But his point is that people confuse this for institutionalised racism.
For me, I think the report shows one thing we should all be proud of. Except one group, we live in a nation where minorities all have the chance to do as well as white pupils at school - and in fact do better. That is a pretty great thing right there for equality.
What other white countries would you rather he label the 'model'. If your picking from a group, and you say this is the model X/Y, its usually the best, that the rest should learn from. So if he is wrong, then where else?
The only real arguement I can see is for Canada. Australia, nah.. America.. nah.. Racial surveys constantly put us as the least racist in Europe when it comes to attitudes. South Africa? nah.. etc.
He does actually mention that racism still exists, especially day to day racism and online racism. But his point is that people confuse this for institutionalised racism.
For me, I think the report shows one thing we should all be proud of. Except one group, we live in a nation where minorities all have the chance to do as well as white pupils at school - and in fact do better. That is a pretty great thing right there for equality.
Also, institutional racism has many fields and colours that as i said, would probably not be covered. Trying to cover all of it is impossible hence why i said he cherry-picks. I see no mention of the fact that black women are like 4x more likely to die during childbirth, or how black people are more likely to wait longer for kidney transplants etc. Institutional racism is just that, institutional. It is interwoven under many surfaces. As Imperator pointed out, most of these stats were already available online and don’t exactly prove much.
As for those racial surveys as i said, or better yet in the words of Dave “the least racist is still racist”, no?
Also, hate crime inquiries by race increeased by 62% over lockdown so i would say we’re really not doing great at all or in a position to be celebrating being a model anything, as i said, just people trying their hardest to dismiss
https://www.google.com/amp/s/news.sk...kdown-12102949
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Really and truly plenty of the UK’s institutions have racism, the media, the medical field, the royal family, i will say though, the education system is definitely getting so much better. a bit more work to be done but getting there.
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(Original post by Rakas21)
I think your somewhat conflating the intent of the report.
Nobody is really suggesting that racism does not exist, what this report asserts is that this racism is not built into the system at an institutional level. That is to say that the report suggests that actually schools and employers have non-racist processes, it does not mean that somebody as an individual has not called you a (insert profanity).
This report was not designed to ask whether racism exists, it is whether racism exists institutionally.
I think your somewhat conflating the intent of the report.
Nobody is really suggesting that racism does not exist, what this report asserts is that this racism is not built into the system at an institutional level. That is to say that the report suggests that actually schools and employers have non-racist processes, it does not mean that somebody as an individual has not called you a (insert profanity).
This report was not designed to ask whether racism exists, it is whether racism exists institutionally.
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(Original post by N. Auditoré)
School and Employers are not the only institutions, no? The Police? The Medical Field? Do y’all actually know how wide the term ‘institutional racism’ covers ¿
School and Employers are not the only institutions, no? The Police? The Medical Field? Do y’all actually know how wide the term ‘institutional racism’ covers ¿
The police in the UK are arguably the biggest sufferers as an institution because they get investigated every other year and people just ignore it when they are perpetually found innocent. Hell, the police in Rochdale allowed BAME folk to rape women such was their fear of being racist in their approach.
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