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Right - one nation conservative (2)
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Centre-right free-market conservative (4)
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Centre-right libertarian (1)
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Centre-left - democratic socialist/reformist (1)
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Far left - anarchist (1)
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Far right – fascist/militarist

Right - traditionalist/conservative/one nation conservative

Centre-right - free-market conservative or libertarian

Centre – neoliberal or third way social democrat

Centre-left traditional social democrat or reformist socialist

Left – radical socialist or democratic socialist

Far left – revolutionary socialist or anarchist or communist
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'Traditionalist Conservative' (Paleo-conservative)

That said I'm pretty radical and think most if not all institutions are too corrupted to be worth preserving as they are now. Hence I support scrapping the monarchy, house of lords, BBC and Church of England.
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I describe myself as a moderately socially conservative and fiscally conservative orange bookers and nationalist so you'd call me an actual one nation conservative or center right free market capitalist on your options (note that in modern parlance all wets have been termed one nation which is not the case, actual one nation conservatism is based around moral/parental conservatism enspouced by Disraeli-Heath.
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'Traditionalist Conservative' (Paleo-conservative)

That said I'm pretty radical and think most if not all institutions are too corrupted to be worth preserving as they are now. Hence I support scrapping the monarchy, house of lords, BBC and Church of England.
I love how the BBC is grouped with the Church and the monarchy as a traditional British institution
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I love how the BBC is grouped with the Church and the monarchy as a traditional British institution
In theory I should like the BBC and support having a state broadcaster. In the old days it was an excellent service which did it's job. I believe it used to start the day with the national anthem and regularly presented as pro Christianity and patriotic.

Now it's a way to subsidise Woke Garbage like Dr Who and the Mash Report.
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Centre right ... pro European
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Mostly centre-right freemarket conservative, with some neo-liberal and traditionalist leanings.
Heavily eurosceptic, very firm on criminal justice and immigration, support low rates of welfare spending & taxation.
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Centre-right libertarian.

Generally, I believe in capitalist acts between consenting adults. If such acts happen to impose a cost on third parties (pollution, infectious diseases, etc), then they must be regulated/taxed/etc. But no other reason to interfere in voluntary contracts, associations, etc. If I sign a contract to be someone's slave for life, I should be free to do so provided I'm a sane person and know what I'm doing. This goes for all contracts.

If someone agrees to working 15 hours a day, it shouldn't be illegal. If someone wants to overdose on cocaine, they must be free to do so but they can not of course endanger the lives of others. So drinking at home - legal. Drinking whilst driving - no. Shooting heroin in ur own bedroom, legal. Shooting heroin while piloting - illegal (even if it's a private plane and all passengers have agreed to having a pilot piloting under the influence of heroin - it still poses a risk to third parties who did not sign up to have a plane crash on their front yard and the costs associated with cleaning the mess up). Etc.
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I'd say social democrat, though I'm not sure if I am a 'old fashioned' or a 'third way' one.

I believe in public services, the welfare state, worker rights and regulation of the market. I support having a properly representative democracy and believe in equal rights and opportunites. I probably edge towards being a democratic socialist as I believe that some industries should be nationalised.
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None of the above. I lean to the right no doubt, and in some issues most certainly lean towards the extreme right, however at the same time I parse myself across the political spectrum, I’m pro-EU for example.
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None of the above. I lean to the right no doubt, and in some issues most certainly lean towards the extreme right, however at the same time I parse myself across the political spectrum, I’m pro-EU for example.
Sounds about right, I believe you once told me that you support the nationalisation of utilities...?
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Sounds about right, I believe you once told me that you support the nationalisation of utilities...?
Must have been a different poster, certainly not one of my beliefs that one...
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
Must have been a different poster, certainly not one of my beliefs that one...
Hmm, curious. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
None of the above. I lean to the right no doubt, and in some issues most certainly lean towards the extreme right, however at the same time I parse myself across the political spectrum, I’m pro-EU for example.
You can support staying in the EU and be right wing eg see Viktor Orban, law and justice party etc.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Sounds about right, I believe you once told me that you support the nationalisation of utilities...?
You could be remembering myself or Napp possibly albeit probably for different reasons to you and probably with more nuance.

In broadband, air and water for example I would model the structure on the energy market so that you'd have a 51% owned state body for infrastructure (think the National Grid but not a licensed monopoly for a corporate) and then the retail and supply aspects would be a largely free market.

That's not because I believe the private sector can't provide the service (we see in broadband they can in cities) or out of any socialist notion about owning the means of production but rather because its simply more efficient to have a central infrastructure body, especially in a country where we seek to dictate renewable over cheap coal or want 5g to every corner of the country ect.. the remaining 49% rather than being fully floated in each utility I'd be tempted to allocate to the largest players in each sector (say 5% for the top 5) so that they still have a stake in the infrastructure development and are encouraged to use their expertise.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Hmm, curious. 🤔🤔🤔🤔
We clash on many things and I can assure you that nationalisation of utilities would be one of them.
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Mostly centre-right freemarket conservative, with some neo-liberal and traditionalist leanings.
Heavily eurosceptic, very firm on criminal justice and immigration, support low rates of welfare spending & taxation.
^This, although I'd remove the "centre" for myself. Paleolibertarian is probably the most applicable label.
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(Original post by imlikeahermit)
We clash on many things and I can assure you that nationalisation of utilities would be one of them.
I could have sworn it was yourself who I had spoken with, but I am clearly mistaken! I even had a look back over old threads and couldn't find anything. 😂
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You could be remembering myself or Napp possibly albeit probably for different reasons to you and probably with more nuance.

In broadband, air and water for example I would model the structure on the energy market so that you'd have a 51% owned state body for infrastructure (think the National Grid but not a licensed monopoly for a corporate) and then the retail and supply aspects would be a largely free market.

That's not because I believe the private sector can't provide the service (we see in broadband they can in cities) or out of any socialist notion about owning the means of production but rather because its simply more efficient to have a central infrastructure body, especially in a country where we seek to dictate renewable over cheap coal or want 5g to every corner of the country ect.. the remaining 49% rather than being fully floated in each utility I'd be tempted to allocate to the largest players in each sector (say 5% for the top 5) so that they still have a stake in the infrastructure development and are encouraged to use their expertise.
I don't believe it was either yourself or Napp. It was someone else for sure. 🤔

I'm keen on having water companies renationalised as there is essentially no benefit of leaving them solely in the hands of the free market. The benefit of the free market is that we, as consumers, have a degree of choice over what we can buy. This choice allows us to stop buying from a company if they provide a poor service or are too expensive, which gives said company the incentive to either improve their services or charge less. This doesn't apply with water companies, though, since they have a monopoly over the area they cover.

I can understand the value of not having the water industry 100% owned by the public, since there clearly needs to be some incentive to keep costs down, keep things running efficiently, etc.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
I don't believe it was either yourself or Napp. It was someone else for sure. 🤔

I'm keen on having water companies renationalised as there is essentially no benefit of leaving them solely in the hands of the free market. The benefit of the free market is that we, as consumers, have a degree of choice over what we can buy. This choice allows us to stop buying from a company if they provide a poor service or are too expensive, which gives said company the incentive to either improve their services or charge less. This doesn't apply with water companies, though, since they have a monopoly over the area they cover.

I can understand the value of not having the water industry 100% owned by the public, since there clearly needs to be some incentive to keep costs down, keep things running efficiently, etc.
Water still needs to be supplied via desalinisation, hydroelectric or other means and it still needs to be sold on whatever the competing variable tarrifs the customer wants are, both of those aspects work very well privately. The only part-public part should be the national transmission to both abolish our regional model (postcode lottery) and end the offensive licensed monopolies we currently have.
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