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Does anyone know whether CILEx graduates are eligible for masters in Law? if not, what options do i have after cilex?
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isn't cilex meant to get you a job as a legal exec? that's your main option

idk if cilex counts as an undergraduate law degree equivalent. does it contain much academic learning and discussion of the law?
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isn't cilex meant to get you a job as a legal exec? that's your main option

idk if cilex counts as an undergraduate law degree equivalent. does it contain much academic learning and discussion of the law?
Hi! Thanks for your response.
I heard its equivalent to honors degree thats what ive read, its made up of exams and assessments and only 1/1000 universities have the short course available.
but what if i want to move ahead academically? Because i dont have a “real” degree and i thought high-end firms would want people with masters so im not sure...
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Contact the university you are interested in and ask them whether they are willing to accept it. The problem with CILEx is that you specialise in your area of law earlier on so you don't have the same breadth of learning that comes from a LLB so that could impact what you are able to study. Also, a masters in any subject is an academic pathway so having not studied within that setting previously then you would potentially be at a disadvantage.

Speak to the universities you are interested in directly, there is more flexibility on admissions in post-graduate and also speak to the law firms you are interested in working for. If they are not going to accept the CILEx qualification and will only take a LPC then the LLM will be a waste of money.
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Hi! Thanks for your response.
I heard its equivalent to honors degree thats what ive read, its made up of exams and assessments and only 1/1000 universities have the short course available.
but what if i want to move ahead academically? Because i dont have a “real” degree and i thought high-end firms would want people with masters so im not sure...
i don't think that master's are seen as necessary anywhere
these high end firms may want master's from their trainee solicitors or associates, definitely not from their legal execs loool. you're not exactly doing high end thinking work as a legal exec - sorry
if you wanna move ahead academically you've got to start from zero and get a good law degree
i dont get what you mean about short courses or the hons thing. just contact the llm people directly and ask
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i don't think that master's are seen as necessary anywhere
these high end firms may want master's from their trainee solicitors or associates, definitely not from their legal execs loool. you're not exactly doing high end thinking work as a legal exec - sorry
if you wanna move ahead academically you've got to start from zero and get a good law degree
i dont get what you mean about short courses or the hons thing. just contact the llm people directly and ask
well theres this new thing from cilex now called the CPQ so we get to qualify as a lawyer rather than a legal exec, so thats pretty much my goal anyway, but if i think its not enough then i guess ill do a postgrad then go with masters (if thats an option) idk.. yeah i will ask. thanks anyway!
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well theres this new thing from cilex now called the CPQ so we get to qualify as a lawyer rather than a legal exec, so thats pretty much my goal anyway, but if i think its not enough then i guess ill do a postgrad then go with masters (if thats an option) idk.. yeah i will ask. thanks anyway!
okay, well that muddies the waters a lot. you should ask whether law firms would consider letting you qualify through this CPQ to begin with, or whether they'd still expect you to do a TC. either is possible. after that, you should also about about the llm
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okay, well that muddies the waters a lot. you should ask whether law firms would consider letting you qualify through this CPQ to begin with, or whether they'd still expect you to do a TC. either is possible. after that, you should also about about the llm
I assumed the cilex would exempt me from a TC if I already have qualifying employment of I think.. 3 years maybe

and i won't have a degree to do the LLM unless I complete postgrad - that's why I was saying that.
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I assumed the cilex would exempt me from a TC if I already have qualifying employment of I think.. 3 years maybe

and i won't have a degree to do the LLM unless I complete postgrad - that's why I was saying that.
would anyone hire you as an associate? like that's the issue with the SQE. we're gonna get a bunch of qualified paralegals and cilex people who are all going to be competing for associate jobs against those who did a tc

i don't get the point about the llm and the postgrad. what postgrad are u referring to if not the llm
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would anyone hire you as an associate? like that's the issue with the SQE. we're gonna get a bunch of qualified paralegals and cilex people who are all going to be competing for associate jobs against those who did a tc

i don't get the point about the llm and the postgrad. what postgrad are u referring to if not the llm
Im not sure of how it works, at the moment i would qualify as a secretary then paralegal, then once I graduate hopefully lawyer, but the chances are quite slim if i dont have the experience or enough qualifications that law firms require.

I was thinking of postgrad in law LLB then going for the LLM. I called a few uni’s to find out and it seems like they arent accepting cilex students for LLM. I may have to go for the SQE...
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Does anyone know whether CILEx graduates are eligible for masters in Law? if not, what options do i have after cilex?
I think that I replied to another thread you made, but you're giving me the impression of someone who is rushing into something without having thought it through.

You should firstly speak to someone you trust - perhaps a tutor with experience of the industry or a lawyer - to figure out what kind of qualified lawyer positions you could be realistically considered, and, more importantly, which practice areas and firms they'd be in. I suspect that many firms will outright refuse to consider you, in favour of someone who has done a TC at their firm or a well-respected rival.

Having done that, you should actually try speaking to people from these firms, or at least stalk them on Linkedin, to get a sense of what level of academic achievement they require or have. For all you know, they all have a degree from a random university with a 2.1 and that's it. If that's the case, it's unlikely that doing a master's would add much value compared to working as a legal executive or paralegalling. It will only cost money and waste time and energy.

I honestly don't know anything about the new arrangements you mentioned, but, if they're that new, you might find that many law firms will not know about them and thus refuse to consider you for anything other than a legal executive position. They may, alternatively, not want to take the risk of having someone qualify and work through a new pathway. That's actually one of the criticisms levied at the SQE.
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I think that I replied to another thread you made, but you're giving me the impression of someone who is rushing into something without having thought it through.

You should firstly speak to someone you trust - perhaps a tutor with experience of the industry or a lawyer - to figure out what kind of qualified lawyer positions you could be realistically considered, and, more importantly, which practice areas and firms they'd be in. I suspect that many firms will outright refuse to consider you, in favour of someone who has done a TC at their firm or a well-respected rival.

Having done that, you should actually try speaking to people from these firms, or at least stalk them on Linkedin, to get a sense of what level of academic achievement they require or have. For all you know, they all have a degree from a random university with a 2.1 and that's it. If that's the case, it's unlikely that doing a master's would add much value compared to working as a legal executive or paralegalling. It will only cost money and waste time and energy.

I honestly don't know anything about the new arrangements you mentioned, but, if they're that new, you might find that many law firms will not know about them and thus refuse to consider you for anything other than a legal executive position. They may, alternatively, not want to take the risk of having someone qualify and work through a new pathway. That's actually one of the criticisms levied at the SQE.
Ill go with that! I have been doing some research and luckily the SQE applies to the SRA board so hopefully, I can still qualify as a solicitor once I complete my course. It's not exactly a rush but more that I am worried about my career options when I look at it academically..
but having looked at a few profiles on linkedin, many people already have degrees as you say, and then go on to do cilex and become legal exec, solicitors or paralegals. (i guess i am at a disadvantage because I haven't done a uni degree yet)

I hear what your saying in terms of SQE disadvantages, but at the end of the day there are also many people going through this new pathway without spending money on uni and instead, going for apprenticeships/qualified work and getting more experience than uni graduates.
I guess ill need to check for requirements by law firms.

I still have 2 years left until i graduate so plenty of time to figure out! thanks for the advice!
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