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Which one of these universities will be the least 'WOKE'? I have some worries and I just want to go to university and get a qualification without facing brainwashing on 'white privilege, critical race theory and unconscious bias'.

The Universities that I'm interested in will be the University of Central Lancashire, University of Huddersfield, Salford, Lancaster University and Wolverhampton.
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You could go to any university you wanted an avoid any conversation you want. You choose your friends as well. It is much like your life now. You cannot avoid the media wherever you go.
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If you’re not interested in engaging with people with a different political viewpoint to you (seems a bit snowflakey) then you might be better off studying and qualifying with OU where you can limit your interactions with other students and staff to your studies alone.
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If you’re not interested in engaging with people with a different political viewpoint to you (seems a bit snowflakey) then you might be better off studying and qualifying with OU where you can limit your interactions with other students and staff to your studies alone.
Apposing viewpoint are fine and I welcome it just sometimes when you are surrounded by it it feels like brainwashing.
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Which one of these universities will be the least 'WOKE'? I have some worries and I just want to go to university and get a qualification without facing brainwashing on 'white privilege, critical race theory and unconscious bias'.

The Universities that I'm interested in will be the University of Central Lancashire, University of Huddersfield, Salford, Lancaster University and Wolverhampton.
Hello,

How are you?

The best thing to do would be to chat with some current students to get their perspective on student life, the area, and the University.
You can chat with students from Huddersfield through UniBuddy.

I hope this helps.

Harriette
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Which one of these universities will be the least 'WOKE'? I have some worries and I just want to go to university and get a qualification without facing brainwashing on 'white privilege, critical race theory and unconscious bias'.

The Universities that I'm interested in will be the University of Central Lancashire, University of Huddersfield, Salford, Lancaster University and Wolverhampton.
Hi there!

So I think that one of the best things about University is having some of your own viewpoints and perceptions challenged, it doesn't mean that you have to agree with anything you learn, or encounter at University (either via studies or otherwise) but i think being introduced to new ideas, learning how to argue respectfully and developing your understanding of world is what University is all about! No matter no University you go to you will find people with a similar viewpoint, and those that you disagree with - just like in any area of life!

The idea that Universities are all 'woke' is nonsense that you see in lots of the media - of course, there are academic that study 'critical race theory', but equally you will find academics which heavily opposed to such theories, which is what a vibrant and open University should be.

Good luck in your studies!

Malachy - University of Liverpool Student Rep.
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Which one of these universities will be the least 'WOKE'? I have some worries and I just want to go to university and get a qualification without facing brainwashing on 'white privilege, critical race theory and unconscious bias'.

The Universities that I'm interested in will be the University of Central Lancashire, University of Huddersfield, Salford, Lancaster University and Wolverhampton.
You should be fine if you don’t study a political/societal focused degree.

You choose your friends & acquaintances so just don’t befriend people you don’t want to.
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Thanks for the reply I guess that I have probably listened too much to the news and what they are pushing.
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Which one of these universities will be the least 'WOKE'? I have some worries and I just want to go to university and get a qualification without facing brainwashing on 'white privilege, critical race theory and unconscious bias'.

The Universities that I'm interested in will be the University of Central Lancashire, University of Huddersfield, Salford, Lancaster University and Wolverhampton.
Even if you manage to stay in your social bubble at Uni you're going to have an issue in the workplace afterwards.

There is far too much evidence (see Harvard Business Review) showing that the most successful businesses and teams have individuals from an extremely diverse background and set of experiences. Combined with the legal liability produced by protected characteristics and employer liability means that employers have both a strong profit driven incentive to be diverse and inclusive, and a very strong liability incentive against even being performative when it comes to writing and applying policies.

What you'll experience in the workplace is an effort to deal with the over-representation of certain demographics within specific industries. These vary by industry depending on what is considered to be the over-represented group.

If you are so repelled by the thought of this, then the only sure way to avoid it long term will be to establish a sole trader business where you don't have to experience such workplaces or be forced (that liability) to hire people from different background.

If you want to be wildly financially successful in future then you'll likely be hoping to work for highly profitable employers, and will encounter the effects of the many studies HBR has been posting on, you will have to deal with "woke" workplaces and teams.

I strongly echo the statement above though... University is your opportunity to have your ideas challenged, to evolve and grow. You can certainly choose not to, but the long term effect of that will mostly be on yourself in terms of employability and success in the workplace.
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Even if you manage to stay in your social bubble at Uni you're going to have an issue in the workplace afterwards.

There is far too much evidence (see Harvard Business Review) showing that the most successful businesses and teams have individuals from an extremely diverse background and set of experiences. Combined with the legal liability produced by protected characteristics and employer liability means that employers have both a strong profit driven incentive to be diverse and inclusive, and a very strong liability incentive against even being performative when it comes to writing and applying policies.

What you'll experience in the workplace is an effort to deal with the over-representation of certain demographics within specific industries. These vary by industry depending on what is considered to be the over-represented group.

If you are so repelled by the thought of this, then the only sure way to avoid it long term will be to establish a sole trader business where you don't have to experience such workplaces or be forced (that liability) to hire people from different background.

If you want to be wildly financially successful in future then you'll likely be hoping to work for highly profitable employers, and will encounter the effects of the many studies HBR has been posting on, you will have to deal with "woke" workplaces and teams.

I strongly echo the statement above though... University is your opportunity to have your ideas challenged, to evolve and grow. You can certainly choose not to, but the long term effect of that will mostly be on yourself in terms of employability and success in the workplace.
Thanks for the reply. I have already had training pertaining to the equalities act in my job and it was fine. I have found this article https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-55309923

I understand that equality and diversity is an important part of British Culture and I have been taught this growing up. I learned about prejudice behaviour coming from a family who has one side that migrated to the UK and what they face. What I don't want is the fake social science that is 'White privilege being forced upon me as I see it as destructive racism. I have yet to see anyone make a compelling argument that it even exists and present data or study that proves it. I think it's a witchhunt on ghosts.

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I have yet to see anyone make a compelling argument that it even exists and present data or study that proves it. I think it's a witchhunt on ghosts.
Took me a few seconds to find a decent argument with citations: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...63721417753600
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Took me a few seconds to find a decent argument with citations: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...63721417753600
Thanks I will take time to digest it.
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If you're a Tory, Exeter for sure. I study at Durham and there's definitely a woke mob here, but I think someone that isn't left-wing can survive here as long as they don't say or do stupid things like raise an Imperial German flag at an annual ball that's already notorious for having dozens of Tories.
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Took me a few seconds to find a decent argument with citations: https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/pdf...63721417753600
'[in order for an individual white to claim that they weren't racist, they] would then have to
actively dismantle privilege at individual, interpersonal and societal level.'

Assuming that the white privilege hypothesis is true, how on earth could a 'white' do that without pulling Rachel Dolezal?
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Even if you manage to stay in your social bubble at Uni you're going to have an issue in the workplace afterwards.

There is far too much evidence (see Harvard Business Review) showing that the most successful businesses and teams have individuals from an extremely diverse background and set of experiences. Combined with the legal liability produced by protected characteristics and employer liability means that employers have both a strong profit driven incentive to be diverse and inclusive, and a very strong liability incentive against even being performative when it comes to writing and applying policies.

What you'll experience in the workplace is an effort to deal with the over-representation of certain demographics within specific industries. These vary by industry depending on what is considered to be the over-represented group.

If you are so repelled by the thought of this, then the only sure way to avoid it long term will be to establish a sole trader business where you don't have to experience such workplaces or be forced (that liability) to hire people from different background.

If you want to be wildly financially successful in future then you'll likely be hoping to work for highly profitable employers, and will encounter the effects of the many studies HBR has been posting on, you will have to deal with "woke" workplaces and teams.

I strongly echo the statement above though... University is your opportunity to have your ideas challenged, to evolve and grow. You can certainly choose not to, but the long term effect of that will mostly be on yourself in terms of employability and success in the workplace.
None of this is necessarily tied to critical race theory or anything else the OP described. You can be pro-diversity and inclusion without being "woke" per se. (which is generally prescriptive of certain world views) It's not really fair to equate the two.
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At my university there's a substantial "woke" crowd but they're easily avoidable.

Frankly people talk the talk about avoiding people with opposing political views, but then proceed to not really care and associate with said people anyway. You'll be fine. All the stuff about essentialism being indoctrinated into people at universities is just babble, doesn't really happen. Especially if you're not on a political or sociological degree. Extremely "woke" people remain an extremely vocal minority, usually.
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Frankly people talk the talk about avoiding people with opposing political views, but then proceed to not really care and associate with said people anyway. You'll be fine.
haha this is so true, I started off at uni a rather right-wing figure and made many left-wing friends. Would consider myself pretty left-wing now..
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At my university there's a substantial "woke" crowd but they're easily avoidable.

Frankly people talk the talk about avoiding people with opposing political views, but then proceed to not really care. You'll be fine.
Thank you that has put my mind at ease. I have been worried that in some circumstances not supporting a cause openly can be seen as being against a cause.
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Thank you that has put my mind at ease. I have been worried that in some circumstances not supporting a cause openly can be seen as being against a cause.
I don't really post much political on social media, (as in sharing political stuff on my story etc.) only once when I was very riled about something.

There are definitely people who think like this but no-one has given me a hard time for it. Even a guy who got "cancelled" after a series of political confessions posts still manages to survive in uni societies as an exec, on reasonable terms.

If you're a conservative say you could look at what uni has the most prominent conservative society. If your position falls awkwardly between camps then that'll be harder, not sure how common libertarian etc. societies are.
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I don't really post much political on social media, (as in sharing political stuff on my story etc.) only once when I was very riled about something.

There are definitely people who think like this but no-one has given me a hard time for it. Even a guy who got "cancelled" after a series of political confessions posts still manages to survive in uni societies as an exec, on reasonable terms.

If you're a conservative say you could look at what uni has the most prominent conservative society. If your position falls awkwardly between camps then that'll be harder, not sure how common libertarian etc. societies are.
I don't have any social media I'm not all that interesting so I have no delusions of gaining a following lol but I like to keep in touch and socialise with my friends the old fashioned way, cup of tea coffee or a meet up for an activity.

I'm not someone who is at all outwardly political and I don't associate with any political party. I would prefer not to get too involved in politics but I do feel strongly about some of the things that my current college has tried to indoctrinate us with. I mainly vote on the policy and if I believe the party I vote for can deliver hence why I'm a cynical person. "Inside every cynical person, there is a disappointed idealist."George Carlin.

Its sad cancel culture exists but a longest the university don't throw me out for disagreeing with their ideas (providing my point are valid and well constructed) then I will be fine. I'm studying a STEM subject therefore political/societal things will be minimal outside professional ethics.
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