Are you taking the vaccine?

Original post by Zobia khan

no x

Could u explain why many Muslims are against the vaccine (and are u also against the common ones like meningitis etc??)?
Just interested x

Reply 183

Callicious

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Original post by PilgrimOfTruth

Not really common sense.

Before we remotely get to Covid vaccination we would first have to apply your "thinking" to other forms of self harm and risk.

So can we refuse medical treatment for :

- all the drug addicts? recreational or otherwise
- all those who drink lots of alocohol?
- all those who are obese through poor diet and lifestyle?
- all those who participate in unnecessary extreme sports and hobbies?
- rock climbers, base jumpers, parachutists, scuba divers, cliff divers, kite surfers, surfers etc?

You have a VERY long way to go before you get anywhere near vaccinations.

Hence your notion is fundamentally flawed and unsound.

Anyone who vocationally puts their body through unnatural harm should pay for it, as opposed to forcing others to pay for it. Bit of a common sense thing, an old lady needing a hip replacement being charged by the NHS would be a bit odd, but a chain smoker getting constant care for obesity while continuing to smoke should certainly be bent over backwards for their cigarette money.

Anyone who participates in extreme sports/etc that doesn't have some form of health insurance shouldn't be doing so and should be punished for it financially, though that doesn't seem to be popular in the U.K.

Reply 184

Scotney

Original post by harlz_chalamet

my parents have had AZ, but now i am scared for them after hearing the news about the side effects :/

They will be fine and at much less risk from the vaccine than Covid.

Reply 185

Anonymous #7

Original post by harlz_chalamet

my parents have had AZ, but now i am scared for them after hearing the news about the side effects :/

Don’t be silly. You’re more likely to get blood clots from Covid that AZ by 10 times. Everything has a blood clot risk pretty much, including birth control but you don’t see women refusing it for that reason. The J+J vaccine causes blood clots too and so does Pfizer. The EU just blew AZ out of the water because of Brexit.

Reply 186

Original post by harlz_chalamet

my parents have had AZ, but now i am scared for them after hearing the news about the side effects :/

The whole thing with the thrombosis side effect is very rare
And chances are ur parents (idk what age they are tho so idk) would do pretty bad if they got covid to in a risk assessment, getting the vaccine was a safer option anyway.

Best not to worry bc there’s nothing u can do anymore, but talk to ur gp/ask them to if ur particularly concerned x

Reply 187

Zobia khan

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Original post by Anonymous

Could u explain why many Muslims are against the vaccine (and are u also against the common ones like meningitis etc??)?
Just interested x

Hey ... I mean I would explain but I'm honestly not too sure myself. I'm sure there are multiple reasons though probably the chemicals in the vaccine itself and maybe superstitions ig? I just simply don't want to have the vaccine in general ..my muslim friends had it though....again it also depends on the individual.

Reply 188

Original post by Zobia khan

Hey ... I mean I would explain but I'm honestly not too sure myself. I'm sure there are multiple reasons though probably the chemicals in the vaccine itself and maybe superstitions ig? I just simply don't want to have the vaccine in general ..my muslim friends had it though....again it also depends on the individual.

Ah right thanks
So did u have all the normal jabs like meningitis??

And why exactly do u not want the jab?
What superstitions?
What chemicals (one could argue everything is made of chemicals lol)?

Reply 189

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth

Actually if anything we should isolate and quarantine people who get vaxxed for various things because they can and do spread viruses to others.

Depends on the specific vaccine in question. For example this study:

https://www.pnas.org/content/115/5/1081

Highlights that people who get flu vaccines spread Flu up to 6 times more than unvaccinated people !! Who knew?!

Discriminating against people with natural immunity would be totally wrong, divisive, wicked and not remotely rooted in science. It would be no different to discriminating against black people. Horrible that anyone who contemplate such discrimination.

Original post by PilgrimOfTruth

Not really common sense.

Before we remotely get to Covid vaccination we would first have to apply your "thinking" to other forms of self harm and risk.

So can we refuse medical treatment for :

- all smokers and vapers
- all the drug addicts? recreational or otherwise
- all those who drink lots of alocohol?
- all those who are obese through poor diet and lifestyle?
- all those who participate in unnecessary extreme sports and hobbies?
- rock climbers, base jumpers, parachutists, scuba divers, cliff divers, kite surfers, surfers etc?

You have a VERY long way to go before you get anywhere near vaccinations.

Hence your notion is fundamentally flawed and unsound.

Awwww bless has the iddle widdle antivaxxer been triggered???

Reply 190

Original post by Ten-Ten

Thank goodness you’re not running the country

This whole ridiculous affair would have been over a hell of a lot quicker if I were.....

Reply 191

Ten-Ten

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Original post by IWMTom

This whole ridiculous affair would have been over a hell of a lot quicker if I were.....

And probably a lot of dead people

Reply 192

Quickest way to end a pandemic:

Do nothing, let people die/get ill, don’t give any medical treatment at all (including ventilators) 👍

I HOPE NO ONES OFFENDED BY THE ABOVE I DONT MEAN TO OFFEND ANYONE AND WISH GOOD HEALTH UPON EVERYONE
(I would get the vaccine)

Reply 193

Original post by Ten-Ten

And probably a lot of dead people

Only those that don't fit in an intelligent and logical society.........

Reply 194

Original post by IWMTom

Only those that don't fit in an intelligent and logical society.........

And who are u to decide that?

Also (talking in stereotypes, I don’t mean to cause any offence) it’s often the ‘less intelligent’ people who do lower paid jobs, eg cleaners, binmen etc... and they do important jobs acc

Reply 195

Original post by Anonymous

And who are u to decide that?

Also (talking in stereotypes, I don’t mean to cause any offence) it’s often the ‘less intelligent’ people who do lower paid jobs, eg cleaners, binmen etc... and they do important jobs acc

I don't debate with anons in threads like this. Have the conviction to speak up with a name against you, or don't speak at all.

Reply 196

Scotney