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Imperial or UC Berkeley?? for civil engineering undergraduate

Hello! So I got accepted into both Imperial College London and UC Berkeley for civil engineering, and I'm struggling to pick which to go to. I am an international student and I've been to UK several times and loooveee it, but never been to the US before so it's kinda risky. Below are some main points I've thought about:

Imperial:
- automatically get my masters degree + my chartered engineer license
-I rllyyy love the uk + ldn, been wanted to live there since y8 or smt
-consistently top 10 ranked in the world for overall and my major, RLLY GOOD engineering school well respected in Europe esp.
-i know lots of people in the UK (+ lots of my close friends are in london so it'll be rlly fun!)
- overall slightly cheaper costs than Berkeley (Still mad expensive tho!)

cons
- v small and boring campus (no offence)
-bad weather
-v bad male to female ratio,
-v stressful life + VERYHEAVY workload (esp engr)
-student satisfaction is v low, partly bc ^^. also I'm not really sure about the social life in imperial?as in people study 24/7?? (idk haha)

Berkeley:
- more international recognition??
- much nicer and bigger campus
-better student life (social life)
-good weather
- would be a really good experience to have for 4 years! also Berkeley is close to silicon valley (internships etc)
- AMAZING engineering program + lots of research available

cons
- massive school (low key under-resourced ) there;s like 37000 undergrads per year
- profs only teach once a week the rest are teachers
- 4 years but only bachelors degree
- grading system is graded by the curve (which i don't like)
- 90% + students take summer courses (they don't have summer break) which is kinda... :///

please let me know your thoughts!!
Some things to be aware of (and consider); in the UK you will also be "graded on a curve" to a point. Usually in the summer after exams, the universities' exam board will meet and discuss moderation and they will consider how the grade distribution is compared to what would be expected and use this along with looking at the exams to decide if things are too hard or too easy in a particular exam, and moderate the grades of students up or down as applicable. Also just doing an MEng does not by itself qualify you for CEng status. The MEng satisfies the educational requirements for CEng status only; you then need to complete the workplace learning and experience and build up a professional portfolio to fully qualify for CEng status.

In terms of the "campus" thing that's a bit irrelevant as applied to Imperial because Imperial isn't a campus uni, it's a city uni. The uni is embedded in the city of London and so the entire city is the "campus" to a point. Thus if you find London boring then I don't think you'll find anywhere in the world interesting, and that might be more to do with your perspective, than the location. @Sinnoh might be able to comment on social life things at Imperial (albeit not in the civil engineering course/department specifically). My general experience of social life at uni is that it is always what you make it. Students can and do have very active social lives, even while doing well in demanding programmes, at any uni. Whether you make that work or not is up to you, not the uni.

I don't really understand the relevance of the Silicon valley proximity if you're studying civil engineering. I imagine London has plenty of (possibly more) civil engineering oriented roles, compared to NorCal, as well. I'm also skeptical about your statistic on summer courses, do you actually have a source for that? Also while you will have some "time off", once you leave school you really can't get away with spending 1+ months not doing any academic or actual work, if you want to graduate with good results, on time, and with a good amount of work experience to make yourself employable. Over the summer you probably should be aiming to be in internships/work placements to make yourself more employable on graduation, while in the winter and spring breaks you will probably be spending at least some of that studying in preparation for exams (certainly in the UK at least).
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London gets less rain than Berkeley. No, seriously.
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Original post by artful_lounger
Some things to be aware of (and consider); in the UK you will also be "graded on a curve" to a point. Usually in the summer after exams, the universities' exam board will meet and discuss moderation and they will consider how the grade distribution is compared to what would be expected and use this along with looking at the exams to decide if things are too hard or too easy in a particular exam, and moderate the grades of students up or down as applicable. Also just doing an MEng does not by itself qualify you for CEng status. The MEng satisfies the educational requirements for CEng status only; you then need to complete the workplace learning and experience and build up a professional portfolio to fully qualify for CEng status.

In terms of the "campus" thing that's a bit irrelevant as applied to Imperial because Imperial isn't a campus uni, it's a city uni. The uni is embedded in the city of London and so the entire city is the "campus" to a point. Thus if you find London boring then I don't think you'll find anywhere in the world interesting, and that might be more to do with your perspective, than the location. @Sinnoh might be able to comment on social life things at Imperial (albeit not in the civil engineering course/department specifically). My general experience of social life at uni is that it is always what you make it. Students can and do have very active social lives, even while doing well in demanding programmes, at any uni. Whether you make that work or not is up to you, not the uni.

I don't really understand the relevance of the Silicon valley proximity if you're studying civil engineering. I imagine London has plenty of (possibly more) civil engineering oriented roles, compared to NorCal, as well. I'm also skeptical about your statistic on summer courses, do you actually have a source for that? Also while you will have some "time off", once you leave school you really can't get away with spending 1+ months not doing any academic or actual work, if you want to graduate with good results, on time, and with a good amount of work experience to make yourself employable. Over the summer you probably should be aiming to be in internships/work placements to make yourself more employable on graduation, while in the winter and spring breaks you will probably be spending at least some of that studying in preparation for exams (certainly in the UK at least).


Hi hi thanks for ur reply ! Yep I was aware that u need work experience etc for the license, I was referencing towards the educational requirements.

I never said I found London boring, in fact I love the city very much . In terms of the campus , what I was considering more was the liveliness of the university only, if that’s the correct word to use)? As in having more larges spaces to walk around, more activities etc it’s berkleey. The imperial campus is quite small and has limited facilities, in comparison to Berkeley’s one which is massive. But then again u can always wander around London which is amazing

on the Silicon Valley note, u do have a point which I agree to. On the summer school, I was quoting someone I know who goes to Berkeley (who probs exaggerated ), so I searched it up and it’s about 40- 50% . I guess that’s not too bad then, but it may mean missing out on learning some extra knowledge ? And yep I’m aware u have to take internships, but they won’t be until at least 2nd year I presume ?

So over view, what r ur thoughts on engineering at both unis ??
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I am sorry I cannot help you much but I would advise to look into the course content and modules offered. Note compulsory and elective modules. As far as I know in the US the beginning of an undergraduate course is usually more general or interdisciplinary which may be good or not depending on your approach.
If you are strongly inclined to a certain career path, the more general modules could be less enjoyable. On the other hand, as mentioned below, if you are not sure or want to have more general modules as well or you want the flexibility of transferring between the courses, it may be good for you.
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Original post by hellodog
Hi hi thanks for ur reply ! Yep I was aware that u need work experience etc for the license, I was referencing towards the educational requirements.

I never said I found London boring, in fact I love the city very much . In terms of the campus , what I was considering more was the liveliness of the university only, if that’s the correct word to use)? As in having more larges spaces to walk around, more activities etc it’s berkleey. The imperial campus is quite small and has limited facilities, in comparison to Berkeley’s one which is massive. But then again u can always wander around London which is amazing

on the Silicon Valley note, u do have a point which I agree to. On the summer school, I was quoting someone I know who goes to Berkeley (who probs exaggerated ), so I searched it up and it’s about 40- 50% . I guess that’s not too bad then, but it may mean missing out on learning some extra knowledge ? And yep I’m aware u have to take internships, but they won’t be until at least 2nd year I presume ?

So over view, what r ur thoughts on engineering at both unis ??


4 days late but overall I don't think there is really much difference between them in terms of graduate prospects so best to focus on other elements e.g. living experiences, cost of living, opportunities for part-time work in and out of term near the uni, tuition fee costs, flexibility etc. On that latter note it is worth bearing in mind at Berkeley you do have the flexibility to change major if you want without necessarily extending the length of your degree. If you decided that actually you just wanted to study physics or languages or gender studies there you could conceivably change major and still graduate on time. In the UK if you want to change subject you almost always have to start again in first year without being able to carry over any "credit" from your original course (unless they are very similar e.g. electronic engineering to electrical engineering).

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