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Is Leeds University or Birmingham University better for Law LLB?? I can’t make my mind up which one to firm and I wanted to hear everyone else’s input!!

Overall I am having the impression that Leeds is better as its top 10 for Law across the UK whilst Birmingham is 15th top- but different websites have very different and misleading viewpoints and I am really confused. Which is better in employability or likely to be preferred more over by top law firms? Especially I’m thinking US law firms or magic circle or silver?

I don’t mind going to whichever as I like the way both Universities are- but I want to make sure I go to the “better” one in respect.

Please and thank you in advance!!
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Is Leeds University or Birmingham University better for Law LLB?? I can’t make my mind up which one to firm and I wanted to hear everyone else’s input!!

Overall I am having the impression that Leeds is better as its top 10 for Law across the UK whilst Birmingham is 15th top- but different websites have very different and misleading viewpoints and I am really confused. Which is better in employability or likely to be preferred more over by top law firms? Especially I’m thinking US law firms or magic circle or silver?

I don’t mind going to whichever as I like the way both Universities are- but I want to make sure I go to the “better” one in respect.

Please and thank you in advance!!
I think Leeds is better for law cause it’s higher in the rankings plus I think it’s closer to the London scene. Also it’s considered the second law-Business center after london, and many firms have their regional/national offices there. If I don’t get into kings I’m firming Leeds.
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(Original post by loretakate)
Is Leeds University or Birmingham University better for Law LLB?? I can’t make my mind up which one to firm and I wanted to hear everyone else’s input!!

Overall I am having the impression that Leeds is better as its top 10 for Law across the UK whilst Birmingham is 15th top- but different websites have very different and misleading viewpoints and I am really confused. Which is better in employability or likely to be preferred more over by top law firms? Especially I’m thinking US law firms or magic circle or silver?

I don’t mind going to whichever as I like the way both Universities are- but I want to make sure I go to the “better” one in respect.

Please and thank you in advance!!
I think Leeds is more respectable that so many people are applying now and so those who come from the uni are being considered 'better' than others, because of how difficult it is to get into !! x
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(Original post by loretakate)
Is Leeds University or Birmingham University better for Law LLB?? I can’t make my mind up which one to firm and I wanted to hear everyone else’s input!!

Overall I am having the impression that Leeds is better as its top 10 for Law across the UK whilst Birmingham is 15th top- but different websites have very different and misleading viewpoints and I am really confused. Which is better in employability or likely to be preferred more over by top law firms? Especially I’m thinking US law firms or magic circle or silver?

I don’t mind going to whichever as I like the way both Universities are- but I want to make sure I go to the “better” one in respect.

Please and thank you in advance!!
Doesn't matter. Literally makes zero difference for any of these firms. There are so many differences between the two that actually matter.

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I think Leeds is more respectable that so many people are applying now and so those who come from the uni are being considered 'better' than others, because of how difficult it is to get into !! x
Leeds is not a particularly difficult university to get into. I've also never met anyone who thought of Leeds graduates as better than others, and I've spoken to my fair share of grad rec and partners. Where are you getting this from?
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I think Leeds is better for law cause it’s higher in the rankings plus I think it’s closer to the London scene. Also it’s considered the second law-Business center after london, and many firms have their regional/national offices there. If I don’t get into kings I’m firming Leeds.
Would you mind providing a source for the claim that Leeds is the second biggest legal centre after London? There's a fair amount of competition for this position from Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, etc.

What do you mean by 'closer to the London scene'?
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Doesn't matter. Literally makes zero difference for any of these firms. There are so many differences between the two that actually matter.


Leeds is not a particularly difficult university to get into. I've also never met anyone who thought of Leeds graduates as better than others, and I've spoken to my fair share of grad rec and partners. Where are you getting this from?
The fact that the uni has the most applicants says a lot for itself! Also, its a Russel Group uni, with the closest links to London in terms of Law. Of course information about the 'best' university is subjective. But I also know that Birmingham are well known for lowering their offers too, again making them slightly less reputable.
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leeds is better for law. it’s also a nice city. if i wasn’t going to nottingham i’d go there
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Would you mind providing a source for the claim that Leeds is the second biggest legal centre after London? There's a fair amount of competition for this position from Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, etc.

What do you mean by 'closer to the London scene'?
Wait I read it in an article
I’ll try to find it
But it was in a newspaper thing.
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Would you mind providing a source for the claim that Leeds is the second biggest legal centre after London? There's a fair amount of competition for this position from Birmingham, Manchester, Newcastle, etc.

What do you mean by 'closer to the London scene'?
I think Manchester and Leeds are equivalent except Manchester does better on international rankings.
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The fact that the uni has the most applicants says a lot for itself! Also, its a Russel Group uni, with the closest links to London in terms of Law. Of course information about the 'best' university is subjective. But I also know that Birmingham are well known for lowering their offers too, again making them slightly less reputable.
What is the application to offer ratio for Leeds?
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The fact that the uni has the most applicants says a lot for itself! Also, its a Russel Group uni, with the closest links to London in terms of Law. Of course information about the 'best' university is subjective. But I also know that Birmingham are well known for lowering their offers too, again making them slightly less reputable.
how does this make Leeds special compared to literally any other RG tho. many RGs exaggerate offers.

what on earth are you lot talking about when you talk about "links to London". most Leeds students come from a variety of background and end up practising in the North, not in London. are you a Leeds student or sthing
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(Original post by kelseyypearce)
The fact that the uni has the most applicants says a lot for itself! Also, its a Russel Group uni, with the closest links to London in terms of Law. Of course information about the 'best' university is subjective. But I also know that Birmingham are well known for lowering their offers too, again making them slightly less reputable.
Would you mind providing the source for the first sentence?

Both Birmingham and Leeds are Russell Group universities. What makes Leeds stand out?

In the past, Leeds has let in a considerable proportion of candidates that failed to meet their offer. Take a look at this FOI request: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...coming-1094507. It shows that around 30% of the Leeds LLB students who had applied between 2014 and 2017 had missed their offer by at least one grade (and were still let it and enrolled normally).

The crux of my question was whether anyone you know in the legal profession has these views of Leeds. It seems to me that you are just making up things and presenting your personal views as representative, when they're not.
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What is the application to offer ratio for Leeds?
Around 60% from what I recall, don't have any data to hand though. Might look for it if I have the energy later.

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Wait I read it in an article
I’ll try to find it
But it was in a newspaper thing.
I was hoping for some actual data, not the opinion of a hack who saw a national firm open an office and remembered that Leeds exists.

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I think Manchester and Leeds are equivalent except Manchester does better on international rankings.
This isn't what I asked. I was asking what you meant when you said 'closer to the London scene'. Were you referring to the raves?
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Around 60% from what I recall, don't have any data to hand though. Might look for it if I have the energy later.


I was hoping for some actual data, not the opinion of a hack who saw a national firm open an office and remembered that Leeds exists.


This isn't what I asked. I was asking what you meant when you said 'closer to the London scene'. Were you referring to the raves?
yeah I meant it in a social sense with parties and stuff
I mean location wise Birmingham is closer to London so it’s probably easier to commute.
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What is the application to offer ratio for Leeds?
I found it by chance: https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/reque...coming-1446132
In 2019, it was 56% for UK/EU applicants. Much higher for internationals - 74%.

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I think Leeds is more respectable that so many people are applying now and so those who come from the uni are being considered 'better' than others, because of how difficult it is to get into !! x
You're actually right in part. The number of applications Leeds got from UK/EU applicants went up from 1600 in 2015 to 2500 in 2019.

The problem however is that the acceptances haven't gone up with it. Leeds peaked at 560 UK/EU acceptances in 2017 and then fell to 533 in 2018 and 375 in 2019. Registrations also fell, which may suggest that some applicants were 'accepting' their offer by putting Leeds down as their insurance, not their firm.

This data is obviously pre-COVID; I don't know how grade inflation has affected Leeds. I'm sure that many formerly Leeds-tier students have gotten grades that allow them to apply to better universities, but, equally, many students who weren't at Leeds' level may have gotten predictions that allow them to apply to universities like Leeds for the first time.
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