One of the key faults of many conspiracy theories
Conspiracy theories confuse correlation with causation.
Many different conspiracy theories think that because two things occur simultaneous, that one causes the other. Often this is not true, and there is often a third underlying factor which interlinks the two.
For example, the 5G conspiracy theory about the spread of the corona virus. It is true that you'll find more corona virus cases in places where the 5G networks are situated. However, the 5G networks are not causing the spread of the coronavirus in these areas.
Rather, it is the choice of the tech companies to place the 5G networks in densely populated areas, as in these areas they will have greater profits from the 5G networks. So, the dense population is the underlying factor which interlinks the 5G networks and the spread of the corona virus. This causes the relationship between the 5G networks and the corona virus spread to be correlational.
Are there any other key faults with conspiracy theories which you've noticed?
Many different conspiracy theories think that because two things occur simultaneous, that one causes the other. Often this is not true, and there is often a third underlying factor which interlinks the two.
For example, the 5G conspiracy theory about the spread of the corona virus. It is true that you'll find more corona virus cases in places where the 5G networks are situated. However, the 5G networks are not causing the spread of the coronavirus in these areas.
Rather, it is the choice of the tech companies to place the 5G networks in densely populated areas, as in these areas they will have greater profits from the 5G networks. So, the dense population is the underlying factor which interlinks the 5G networks and the spread of the corona virus. This causes the relationship between the 5G networks and the corona virus spread to be correlational.
Are there any other key faults with conspiracy theories which you've noticed?
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I thought they key fault in most is theyre just downright stupid.
I mean what kind of educationally subnormal twit would think you can catch a virus from a cell tower or that a government is capable of keeping a secret as big as launching a mass terror attack on its own people? Idiots the lot of them.
I mean what kind of educationally subnormal twit would think you can catch a virus from a cell tower or that a government is capable of keeping a secret as big as launching a mass terror attack on its own people? Idiots the lot of them.
For me the largest issue with a lot of major conspiracy theories is that they rely on the cooperation, complicity or coercion of potentially every single professional in any relevant field of study or industry. Using covid as an example, to argue that it's is a hoax at this stage is to argue that well over 99.9% of the world's healthcare professionals in every corner of the industry were convinced to be complicit in not only keeping their mouths shut, but actively falsifying data for tens of millions of people, and lying to everybody in their lives, or were simply dumb enough to not notice one of the greatest frauds in history being perpetrated in their fields of expertise right under their noses.
I think it is more basic than that. Conspiracies start from a made up premise and then use whatever methods fit to "prove" the hypothesis. And whenever those points are being unpicked it almost always comes down to dark forces, the unexplained, the FBI / CIA or the world order who have technologies we don't know about.
In other words - its the boogie man.
In other words - its the boogie man.
That cooperation comes easily when they know Satanist deep state globalist Marxist agents will swiftly silence any whistle-blower.
Original post by hotpud
I think it is more basic than that. Conspiracies start from a made up premise and then use whatever methods fit to "prove" the hypothesis. And whenever those points are being unpicked it almost always comes down to dark forces, the unexplained, the FBI / CIA or the world order who have technologies we don't know about.
In other words - its the boogie man.
In other words - its the boogie man.
You are confusing realistic scenarios with Conspiracy Theories.
For example technologies that are at experimental level do exist. You just see them years later or even decades later. Sometimes you don't see them at all.
The unexplained is not necessarily a conspiracy theory or related to one. It's just unexplained.
Example1
Do you think that NASA is a dreadful NAZI organisation that should have been dismantled long time ago..
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Yes for most of your part.
However the words conspiracy & theories are often used to shut down legitimate debate and reduce criticisms to the most minimum levels. The wherever politics in the name of the Covid have come under criticisms. The only way to deflect the conversation and the criticisms is to place them in the field of the conspiracy theories.
If our good doctors and nurses or professionals were so sensitive about the 5G and Covid they should have been also very sensitive about not learning and passing to their kids (most times) their religious views and their religions altogether.
Whet do you think are the major religions are? Massive Conspiracy Theories where sinister forces, both human and Supernatural, conspire all the time to bring the world to an end...
However the words conspiracy & theories are often used to shut down legitimate debate and reduce criticisms to the most minimum levels. The wherever politics in the name of the Covid have come under criticisms. The only way to deflect the conversation and the criticisms is to place them in the field of the conspiracy theories.
If our good doctors and nurses or professionals were so sensitive about the 5G and Covid they should have been also very sensitive about not learning and passing to their kids (most times) their religious views and their religions altogether.
Whet do you think are the major religions are? Massive Conspiracy Theories where sinister forces, both human and Supernatural, conspire all the time to bring the world to an end...
Isaac Newton
A great conspiracy theorist according to today's standards. His metaphysics and beliefs qualify him to be one of the top ones...
A great conspiracy theorist according to today's standards. His metaphysics and beliefs qualify him to be one of the top ones...
To all the people above eg @Napp what's the cut off point between "conspiracy theory" and not believing everything the government says or does? Eg there are a number of things that have happened in the past that have been declassified now that, were it brought up at the time would be dismissed as insane ravings.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Original post by Lucifer323
Example1
Do you think that NASA is a dreadful NAZI organisation that should have been dismantled long time ago..
Do you think that NASA is a dreadful NAZI organisation that should have been dismantled long time ago..
No. But no doubt you are about to tell me why I am wrong.
Original post by hotpud
No. But no doubt you are about to tell me why I am wrong.
The way it is phrased resembles a conspiracy theory. However there is a lot of truth on my description of NASA.
Original post by Starship Trooper
To all the people above eg @Napp what's the cut off point between "conspiracy theory" and not believing everything the government says or does? Eg there are a number of things that have happened in the past that have been declassified now that, were it brought up at the time would be dismissed as insane ravings.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Its a fine line, although one recquires some form of proof.. those have been well documented and dont rely on idiots on the web or wingnut conspiracy theorists who have clearly lost their marbles.
No one ever said anything about blindly following what the government says its a well known fact, afer all, that governments lie (it being second nature)
Original post by hotpud
No. But no doubt you are about to tell me why I am wrong.
The US Space Program could not have been possible if operation paperclip didn't happen. The American Government literally conspired and had thousands of NAZI scientists in US soil where they received full citizenship out of nowhere and worked for them American State, including creating NASA.
Here you have a nice story which is very well known. Maybe not to you or others. I remember our last conversation about IQ where nobody even bothered to have a look at the Wechsler Classification Table to see what is meant by 'average'.
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Original post by nnth
Conspiracy theories confuse correlation with causation.
Many different conspiracy theories think that because two things occur simultaneous, that one causes the other. Often this is not true, and there is often a third underlying factor which interlinks the two.
For example, the 5G conspiracy theory about the spread of the corona virus. It is true that you'll find more corona virus cases in places where the 5G networks are situated. However, the 5G networks are not causing the spread of the coronavirus in these areas.
Rather, it is the choice of the tech companies to place the 5G networks in densely populated areas, as in these areas they will have greater profits from the 5G networks. So, the dense population is the underlying factor which interlinks the 5G networks and the spread of the corona virus. This causes the relationship between the 5G networks and the corona virus spread to be correlational.
Are there any other key faults with conspiracy theories which you've noticed?
Many different conspiracy theories think that because two things occur simultaneous, that one causes the other. Often this is not true, and there is often a third underlying factor which interlinks the two.
For example, the 5G conspiracy theory about the spread of the corona virus. It is true that you'll find more corona virus cases in places where the 5G networks are situated. However, the 5G networks are not causing the spread of the coronavirus in these areas.
Rather, it is the choice of the tech companies to place the 5G networks in densely populated areas, as in these areas they will have greater profits from the 5G networks. So, the dense population is the underlying factor which interlinks the 5G networks and the spread of the corona virus. This causes the relationship between the 5G networks and the corona virus spread to be correlational.
Are there any other key faults with conspiracy theories which you've noticed?
I don't see a need to single that source of error out. In fact, a lot of conspiracies just flat out ignore the evidence, call it 'fake news' and leave it there. There's an entire industry, and a lot of money to be made by just creating a website and making **** up. If you've got not reputation to protect, who cares.
And moreover, come to the same finding across countries that normally actively try to contradict each other, from the US to China to Europe to Russia to Brazil to Iran to India. You normally couldn't get that lot to all agree the sky was blue!
Original post by Starship Trooper
To all the people above eg @Napp what's the cut off point between "conspiracy theory" and not believing everything the government says or does? Eg there are a number of things that have happened in the past that have been declassified now that, were it brought up at the time would be dismissed as insane ravings.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
See my description below in regards to NASA. A very respectful organisation which employee thousands of scientists and engineers as well as other specialists.
However the truth about how NASA was created resembles a lot of a Conspiracy Theory. And it is an actual conspiracy organised by the US Government through the operation paperclip. Obviously parallel operations were running at the same time to find those in charge of security operations as they were very valuable to the US State apart from the scientists.
So instead of charging the scientists with war crimes and crimes against humanity they employed them everywhere including NASA. It was Wernen Von Braun and his teams responsible for creating the American Space Program.
What a sinister conspiracy theory.
True of course
I see our usual experts came to share their opinion in this thread...
@TCA2b
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Original post by Starship Trooper
To all the people above eg @Napp what's the cut off point between "conspiracy theory" and not believing everything the government says or does? Eg there are a number of things that have happened in the past that have been declassified now that, were it brought up at the time would be dismissed as insane ravings.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Are people really saying the west doesn't use disinformation and propaganda? Of course they do- and that includes putting out fake conspiracy theories to discredit things.
Eg look up the below:
CoIntelPro...
MK ultra experiments...
Operation Northwoods...
Whilst I think it's dumb to believe every mad conspiracy theorist, I think it's almost as naive to have complete faith on our government and "official" narratives.
Yeah, we need to think critically about everything, even our own thoughts. Just ask the questions "why?" and "what does this mean?". After 5 rounds (approx.), you'll get to the root cause of it.
Original post by nexttime
I don't see a need to single that source of error out. In fact, a lot of conspiracies just flat out ignore the evidence, call it 'fake news' and leave it there. There's an entire industry, and a lot of money to be made by just creating a website and making **** up. If you've got not reputation to protect, who cares.
True, true... many conspiracy theories do debunk facts altogether, like the flat earthers. However, the ones I was referring to were not those. I was referring to a particular type of conspiracy theory, those which confuse correlation with causation. For example, there was a conspiracy theory started by Andrew Wakefield in the Lancet which claimed that the MMR vaccines caused autism. This is because the autism spectrum disorders become noticeable at around the same time as the vaccine. However, Wakefield's theory was proved incorrect by a number of other studies and was confusing correlation with causation.
@Lucifer323
I don't think it's a conspiracy that the US government recruited a bunch of Germany's top scientists after the war, what's the conspiracy? That's like saying the US government had a conspiracy to murder Osama bin Laden after 9/11.
I don't think it's a conspiracy that the US government recruited a bunch of Germany's top scientists after the war, what's the conspiracy? That's like saying the US government had a conspiracy to murder Osama bin Laden after 9/11.
Original post by Starship Trooper
@Lucifer323
I don't think it's a conspiracy that the US government recruited a bunch of Germany's top scientists after the war, what's the conspiracy? That's like saying the US government had a conspiracy to murder Osama bin Laden after 9/11.
I don't think it's a conspiracy that the US government recruited a bunch of Germany's top scientists after the war, what's the conspiracy? That's like saying the US government had a conspiracy to murder Osama bin Laden after 9/11.
The public wasn't really aware of the existence of thousands of German Citizens in American Soil, many of them war criminals and individuals who would have otherwise been charged with crimes against humanity.
Had the public known the situation may have been very different.
Killing an enemy (Bin Laden) is very different to recruit the enemy (Nazi Scientists) to create your space program and live peacefully as if nothing ever happened.
Coming back to my original statement. Imagine you claim that NASA is a Sinister Organization created by NAZI Scientists and that the space program is because of their involvement.
You maybe classified as a conspiracy theorist. But there is nothing closer to the truth than the above statement. The foundations of NASA are nothing more than war criminals of the NAZI regime.
On the causation does not equate to correlation point, at what point do the number of coincidences start to become insane?
Case in point Jeffery Epstein's 'suicide' which is seen as a "conspiracy theory"
-both guards mysteriously off duty
- cameras mysteriously deleted footage
-cell mate mysteriously not there
-in a place where suicide is meant to be impossible (eg they use rubber clothes and sheets)
-last contact was seen happy and confident he would be released.
Case in point Jeffery Epstein's 'suicide' which is seen as a "conspiracy theory"
-both guards mysteriously off duty
- cameras mysteriously deleted footage
-cell mate mysteriously not there
-in a place where suicide is meant to be impossible (eg they use rubber clothes and sheets)
-last contact was seen happy and confident he would be released.
Just a quick remark.
The Flat Earth is a ludicrous hypothesis based on nothing other than belief.
The Abrahamic Religions are great conspiracy theories based on ludicrous assumptions/assertions and religious faith blended with cultural elements and traditions.
With Islam to be my favourite...
The foundations of NASA are nothing more then NAZI scientists-war criminals.
Not a conspiracy theory!! It's a fact!!
JFK's assassination. An actual conspiracy. Planned, organised, and executed. Fact.
You need to be able to differentiate which is true, which has elements of truth, and which is not true at all.
The Flat Earth is a ludicrous hypothesis based on nothing other than belief.
The Abrahamic Religions are great conspiracy theories based on ludicrous assumptions/assertions and religious faith blended with cultural elements and traditions.
With Islam to be my favourite...
The foundations of NASA are nothing more then NAZI scientists-war criminals.
Not a conspiracy theory!! It's a fact!!
JFK's assassination. An actual conspiracy. Planned, organised, and executed. Fact.
You need to be able to differentiate which is true, which has elements of truth, and which is not true at all.
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