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The Manchester United Thread XXIII

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Reply 1420

Time for more excuses from Ten Hag? Another poor result.

Can anyone point to progress under ETH?

Reply 1421

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by Zerforax
Time for more excuses from Ten Hag? Another poor result.
Can anyone point to progress under ETH?

Ugarte is a raw product. When we extract the passing ability out of him, he will be on fire.
Rashy is back. His confidence is sky high right now.
Rock and roll Rasmus is back from injury. Gives us that extra finishing ability we have been missing.
Eriksen needs to go - its stupid how he is still at the club
Kobbie has had a much needed 2 games rest, so he will be back against spurs fresh and raring to go.
Diallo is still looking really good.

The only negatives I take from that game were the lack of clear cut opportunities created, and the poor passing.

Reply 1422

I think it's just a question of time sadly. There aren't injuries to save ten Hag, he has the players at his disposal to play his style of play but they don't seem to show what it is they are doing on the training pitch on the field. The midfield and attack are set up for transitional football it seems and if that doesn't work then not much works. October International break might be the end if results and performances don't improve.

Reply 1423

And another poor performance at Old Trafford! Spurs had been struggling but wiped the floor with Man Utd. Theatre of Screams very much.

I thought ETH would have until December but if he doesn't win either of the next two games.. maybe Ineos will feel forced to fire this October international break.

Reply 1424

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by Zerforax
And another poor performance at Old Trafford! Spurs had been struggling but wiped the floor with Man Utd. Theatre of Screams very much.
I thought ETH would have until December but if he doesn't win either of the next two games.. maybe Ineos will feel forced to fire this October international break.

I still want him to stay to be completely honest. There aren't many other managers out there and ETH could be the only option. I think once, and if (a big if) ETH can somehow implement a style of play, things might change. But so far, it doesn't look like it. There were no positives from that game to be completely honest. It was a dreadful game and one of our worst post Fergie

Reply 1425

It's a question of when, not if, ten Hag stays tbh. He may somehow survive this next period, onto Christmas, or even eek out until the end of the season but I don't see this succeeding. He has to take ownership (I see injuries got a mention yesterday) for the way the team is playing. He's taking the contract extension as a sign that the ownership really wanted to keep when it was an FA Cup win (brilliant as it was) that kept him and the shoddy nature in which they looked for replacements. The league form was ignored but it's unavoidable this term. It's back to results keeling him in the job when it needed to be results and performances to solidify his position

Reply 1426

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by Aky786UK
It's a question of when, not if, ten Hag stays tbh. He may somehow survive this next period, onto Christmas, or even eek out until the end of the season but I don't see this succeeding. He has to take ownership (I see injuries got a mention yesterday) for the way the team is playing. He's taking the contract extension as a sign that the ownership really wanted to keep when it was an FA Cup win (brilliant as it was) that kept him and the shoddy nature in which they looked for replacements. The league form was ignored but it's unavoidable this term. It's back to results keeling him in the job when it needed to be results and performances to solidify his position

Thing is tho, we can't use injuries as an excuse anymore. Yesterday we had 2 players unavailable due to injuries - Shaw and Yoro

Reply 1427

He's just an average manager who's stand out achievement is a Semi final of the CL in 2019 which whilst impressive said maybe as much about a great team he inherited with DeLigt, Van Der Beek, De Jong as much as it did about him. In all other seasons, he didnt get out of the group.

The job is clearly too big for him and it never recovers from this stage with a manager where the team look lost and just stop playing for him.

My money is on Tuchel until end of season. There are very very few good managers around and Utd have tried a)Big names in Jose, Van Gal b)solid low key fundamentals in Moyes, Ole and now Ten Hag who I struggle to describe. He's sortof low key with zero fundamentals. I think Utd need to thread water for a bit and build up from scratch. Ditch the toxic players, stop signing mega "stars" who invariably flop. Get top 4 maybe this season and build from there. Wait for a "top" manager to come available and grab him ruthlessly (sack whoever you have to do this).

Your big issue is fans from the arse end of Asia demanding ******** "star" signings and do you move wildly on the waves without any direction. I think Van Gaal would have been ideal but he's too old now, he had a plan. Most of all you lack a plan. Keep your ear to the ground for the next big manager and go all out to get him. £20m a year deal.

Alternativlely sign Southgate until end of season, be amazed when he flukes top 4 and then give him a 3 year deal. Then in a years time when hes shite, sack him and appoint *insert name of aging faded "top" manager here*. So the show goes on and on. In the summer sign Greizmann for £60m to absurd youtube welcome video as Casimero departs through the back door for Saudi.
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Reply 1428

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by weetabix_muncher
I still want him to stay to be completely honest. There aren't many other managers out there and ETH could be the only option. I think once, and if (a big if) ETH can somehow implement a style of play, things might change. But so far, it doesn't look like it. There were no positives from that game to be completely honest. It was a dreadful game and one of our worst post Fergie

At this point I feel like literally anyone will be better :rofl:
ETH is into his 3rd season and spent over 600mil and no one can tell me what his style of play is. I think he's just out of his depth and the malise that is Man Utd does not help. He may be a good manager underneath but good doesn't fix all the problems at Man Utd. I think he's just one of those that need the right environment to succeed.

Reply 1429

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by Zerforax
At this point I feel like literally anyone will be better :rofl:
ETH is into his 3rd season and spent over 600mil and no one can tell me what his style of play is. I think he's just out of his depth and the malise that is Man Utd does not help. He may be a good manager underneath but good doesn't fix all the problems at Man Utd. I think he's just one of those that need the right environment to succeed.

Yh, but then the cycle of rinsing and repeating big name managers will just continue. We need to build something with what we have right now, and we can't just repeat what we have been doing for the past 10 years

Reply 1430

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by weetabix_muncher
Yh, but then the cycle of rinsing and repeating big name managers will just continue. We need to build something with what we have right now, and we can't just repeat what we have been doing for the past 10 years

Disagree.. backing the wrong manager will just make the situation worse.

Ineos owners should be improving a lot of background issues compared to the Glazers.

Reply 1431

Ten Hag won't last the season, that's for sure. Like his predecessors, he may eek out a result to prolong his stay but he'll get sacked eventually. It's what has happened since 2013 when managers are done at the club.

If Ten Hag was secure in his job then Van Nistelrooy goes to Burrnley. He saw Ole get the job after interim spell and he's thinking even if he's interim, he can say he managed Manchester United and if the club struggle to make a permanent hire, then he might get the job permanently.

If the Glazers had overseen this directly, then ex-players and journalists would be hammering them. But INEOS seem to be getting away with it, typified by Neville not criticising them on his podcast (and he has a conflict of interest considering he's on a Taskforce for a new stadium and regeneration of the area). INEOS should have made the change if they had doubts about ten Hag, identified a replacement and gone with their gut instincts. They spoke to everyone and now can't go back to them in a position of weakness.

Only one person they didn't speak to who is liked by INEOS and is absolutely free (which he wasn't in the summer)

(I think it's all leading to Southgate imo)

Reply 1432

Get Jim Ratcliffe out of man utd. He is a disrespectful thief. Sir Alex should be able to do whatever the hell he wants at united till the day he dies. But SJR got rid of him

Reply 1433

If United played with the same urgency and drive as they did at the start of the second half then ten Hag may have more points on the board. Garnacho and Rashford excellent and Hojlund is a slightly more threat than Zirkzee. It's a much needed result but the end seems inevitable barring a miraculous turnaround.

On the Fergie "sacking", the old man has made his money from Manchester United whilst he was manager and in post-retirement so he's not going to be scraping pennies together, however the timing of it - when on pitch results aren't great - could have been better, at the end of the season perhaps. Or cutting his salary to rehire the staff let go may have been a more heartening decision. Also, Fergie did well out of the deal which I assume was a thank you gift from the Glazers for not resigning when they took over which could have affected their ability to takeover and generally protecting them in the public.

Reply 1434

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by Aky786UK
If United played with the same urgency and drive as they did at the start of the second half then ten Hag may have more points on the board. Garnacho and Rashford excellent and Hojlund is a slightly more threat than Zirkzee. It's a much needed result but the end seems inevitable barring a miraculous turnaround.
On the Fergie "sacking", the old man has made his money from Manchester United whilst he was manager and in post-retirement so he's not going to be scraping pennies together, however the timing of it - when on pitch results aren't great - could have been better, at the end of the season perhaps. Or cutting his salary to rehire the staff let go may have been a more heartening decision. Also, Fergie did well out of the deal which I assume was a thank you gift from the Glazers for not resigning when they took over which could have affected their ability to takeover and generally protecting them in the public.

Agreed on the first point, but I also agree with Eric Cantona. Without Sir Alex, we would just be another Everton or Aston Villa. He deserves to be able to do whatever he wants till he dies. Its just disrespectful. And to be honest, after I heard about that, I am now unsure on whether SJR knows what he is even doing. He has made some good decisions, but I feel the bad ones outweigh the good ones.

Reply 1435

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by ImaDon,ImAmazing
Get Jim Ratcliffe out of man utd. He is a disrespectful thief. Sir Alex should be able to do whatever the hell he wants at united till the day he dies. But SJR got rid of him

Pretty sure he still has to freedom to go about the stadium as he pleases but you think the club should keep paying him millions every year..?

Reply 1436

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by Zerforax
Pretty sure he still has to freedom to go about the stadium as he pleases but you think the club should keep paying him millions every year..?

I think reducing wages is more acceptable, but they even banned him from the dressing room after games. That is ultimate disrespect if you ask me. Im sure you Liverpool fans would love for Klopp to visit the dressing room after games, and if he was banned from doing so, you would be annoyed - an rightfully so. Without Sir Alex, we would not be where we are.

Reply 1437

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by ImaDon,ImAmazing
I think reducing wages is more acceptable, but they even banned him from the dressing room after games. That is ultimate disrespect if you ask me. Im sure you Liverpool fans would love for Klopp to visit the dressing room after games, and if he was banned from doing so, you would be annoyed - an rightfully so. Without Sir Alex, we would not be where we are.

Honestly I think Man Utd could do with stopping the living in the past glories and going on and on about SAF era. Can't move forward and modernise if you keep banging on about the period that was 10 to 30 years ago.

Reply 1438

A What If piece on Mourinho replacing Ferguson in 2013.

Apparently, he was crying when Moyes got the job but I think he'd already agreed to return to Chelsea anyway. Those players wouldn't have messed around with Jose compared to Moyes and we could have extended the success for a year or two and then may be Ancelotti could have come in.

His quotes today about getting a Premier League's winner medal and his bonus if City are punished for their 2017-18 season, are typical Jose 😀

He'll relish a win tomorrow night as he did when he came back to Old Trafford during Covid to beat United 6-1 with Spurs.

Reply 1439

The mighty Man Utd with 3 successive draws in the 2nd tier European competition..

How anyone still thinks Ten Hag is good enough for this job is mad.

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