1/3 of ULaw LLB graduates do not have a positive outcome 15 months after graduation

Data published yesterday shows that only 66.4% of the LLB undergraduates who graduated from the University of Law in 2018 had one of the following “positive outcomes” 15 months after graduation:

1. Professional employment (defined as any job that requires a degree - includes paralegals and legal executives)
2. In further study
3. Caring for someone or travelling
4. Retired

The UK average that year was 73.9%.

The Office for Students projects that only 46.3% of first year students at ULaw will have a “positive outcome” within 15 months of graduation. This projection is based on the data above and on the fact that ULaw law students have a high drop out rate - 28.7%, to be exact.

The Office for Students has created a benchmark of how well it would expect each university to perform based on the profile of its intake – i.e. their grades, age, socioeconomic background, ethnicity. ULaw’s results are 12% lower than they should be on the “positive outcomes” front and 7% lower than they should be when it comes to degree completion. Few universities have missed their benchmarks by this much.

I've copied in the "positive outcomes" data for other universities below.

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Reply 1

Gmaster1980

Hey @The University of Law Students, care to comment?

Reply 2

Gmaster1980

That Nic guy that works for them will probably just say that intelligent students would be skeptical of all data and claims again. Absolute legend.

Reply 3

EU Yakov

so these kids are paying £28000 for what exactly ?? a below 50% chance of graduating and ending up in a decent job ?? why is ULAW even allowed to take undergrads their LPC seems bad enough

Reply 4

camapplicant530

Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.

Reply 5

Gmaster1980

Original post by camapplicant530

Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.

BPP made the sensible decision to not offer garbage LLBs. Either that or they got banned from taking apprentices so they didn't see it as profitable. Chicken and egg situation.

Reply 6

Mikos

Original post by EU Yakov

so these kids are paying £28000 for what exactly ?? a below 50% chance of graduating and ending up in a decent job ?? why is ULAW even allowed to take undergrads their LPC seems bad enough

Original post by camapplicant530

Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.

I think the data for ULaw (and indeed that of some of the other universities Johnny has listed) demonstrates a rapidly growing issue: the excessive commercialisation of a university education. It means that more people are going to university than ever to get a level of education that they either don’t need/won’t be able to put to good use. Students’ anxieties about their future prospects in the job market are being used as a sales tactic for universities that are essentially degree mills as opposed to academic spaces.

I’m reasonably pro-free market but every time I see a student who’s gone to one of these degree mills make a self-pitying “I got rejected from everything I applied to” LinkedIn post, I do wonder if some kind of regulation/market standards are needed.

Reply 7

EU Yakov

Original post by Mikos

tbh i totally get the sort of people who see uni as a necessarily evil to getting any law job. i was one of those. academic arguments and theories never interested me much. but ULAW pretends it's all about employability and whatnot when it sucks at that too.

ULAW still uses data for 6 months after graduation on their site. easier to cook. "92% of our full-time LLB students graduating in 2017 secured employment or further study within six months of successfully completing their course". yeah turns out that a third of these ended up doing admin or on the dole !!

Reply 8

harrysbar

TSR shouldn’t advertise this organisation in my opinion

Reply 9

one_two_three

I am not a fan of the University of Law, I have not attended and I never will attend. I think if you are going to open up a specialist law university then you do it right and doing it right should be offering the absolute best because as a company, they don't have anything else to offer apart from a law course.

I think the university as a whole is just a money making scheme which does not offer its students a fully rounded student experience but advertises that it does. It does not have access to the same careers advice that most of us experienced, the social life and SU. A lot of us on this forum will have attended university almost straight after college, or with a gap year, and have benefited from the support we were given from our colleges and forums such as this. I think the university exploits the segment of the population which does not have that same support and background information that we all benefited from.

HOWEVER, despite the fact that I do not like the university, there are students that are attending this university right now and might be reading this and worrying about their own future. In which case, it is worth noting that 2/3 of students do have a positive outcome 15months after university. It is still achievable but you have to be more motivated than others, you have to take more initiative and it is going to be harder but it is still possible. If you do your research, you engage and you achieve the grades that you require then it can be ok and you can still have a successful career. There are plenty of people out there than can offer guidance and advice as you go along.

By the way @The University of Law Students I shouldn't be having to do your job for you. Let me know where to send my invoice.