1/3 of ULaw LLB graduates do not have a positive outcome 15 months after graduation

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Data published yesterday shows that only 66.4% of the LLB undergraduates who graduated from the University of Law in 2018 had one of the following “positive outcomes” 15 months after graduation:

1. Professional employment (defined as any job that requires a degree - includes paralegals and legal executives)
2. In further study
3. Caring for someone or travelling
4. Retired

The UK average that year was 73.9%.

The Office for Students projects that only 46.3% of first year students at ULaw will have a “positive outcome” within 15 months of graduation. This projection is based on the data above and on the fact that ULaw law students have a high drop out rate - 28.7%, to be exact.

The Office for Students has created a benchmark of how well it would expect each university to perform based on the profile of its intake – i.e. their grades, age, socioeconomic background, ethnicity. ULaw’s results are 12% lower than they should be on the “positive outcomes” front and 7% lower than they should be when it comes to degree completion. Few universities have missed their benchmarks by this much.

I've copied in the "positive outcomes" data for other universities below.

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University Name // % of law undergraduates who achieved a “positive outcome” 15 months after graduation in 2018

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University of Wolverhampton
55.9
Staffordshire University
58.0
University of Sunderland
58.9
Canterbury Christ Church University
59.6
University of Central Lancashire
61.0
Birmingham City University
61.2
Teesside University
64.0
De Montfort University
64.2
Oxford Brookes University
64.3
City, University of London
64.8
The University of Essex
66.0
The University of Law Limited
66.4
Liverpool John Moores University
66.5
University of Portsmouth
66.8
Kingston University
67.4
University of Derby
68.5
University of Winchester
68.6
Coventry University
68.8
The University of Hull
68.9
University of the West of England, Bristol
69.0
The University of West London
69.2
Brunel University London
70.4
School of Oriental and African Studies
70.4
BPP University Limited
70.8
Leeds Beckett University
70.9
Aston University
70.9
University of East London
71.0
Nottingham Trent University
71.3
University of Greenwich
71.6
The University of Westminster
71.7
London South Bank University
72.0
University of Plymouth
72.3
University of Hertfordshire
72.8
Anglia Ruskin University Higher Education Corporation
73.0
University of Keele
73.5
Manchester Metropolitan University
73.7
Edge Hill University
73.9
London Metropolitan University
74.1
The University of Huddersfield
74.2
The University of Kent
74.4
University of Salford, The
74.6
St Mary's University, Twickenham
74.6
University of Southampton
74.8
University College London
75.0
The University of Liverpool
75.3
Sheffield Hallam University
76.5
University of Sussex
76.9
The University of East Anglia
77.6
The University of Warwick
78.0
University of Chester
78.0
The University of Sheffield
78.3
University of Northumbria at Newcastle
78.5
University of Lincoln
78.5
The University of Reading
79.0
The University of Birmingham
79.5
University of Nottingham, The
79.5
The University of Surrey
79.5
The University of Manchester
80.1
University of Exeter
80.2
University of Bristol
80.3
University of Northampton, The
80.5
The University of Leeds
80.6
The University of Leicester
81.9
University of York
82.6
The University of Lancaster
83.1
University of Newcastle upon Tyne
85.7
Queen Mary University of London
86.7
King's College London
87.3
University of Cambridge
87.3
University of Durham
89.8
Royal Holloway and Bedford New College
90.8
The London School of Economics and Political Science
91.8
University of Oxford
91.8
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  • BPP University no longer offers an LLB, so, while there is data on that (only 70.8% of 2018 law graduates achieved a “positive outcome”), there is little point in dwelling on it.


  • The response rates for most universities hover around 50-70%. ULaw’s response rate was 56%.


  • Because the employment data is for law students who graduated in 2018, it will be out of date by several years by the time any current applicants graduate. With that said, I can’t see a reason why it would shift massively in that time.
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Hey The University of Law Students, care to comment?
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That Nic guy that works for them will probably just say that intelligent students would be skeptical of all data and claims again. Absolute legend.
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so these kids are paying £28000 for what exactly ?? a below 50% chance of graduating and ending up in a decent job ?? why is ULAW even allowed to take undergrads their LPC seems bad enough
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Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.
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(Original post by camapplicant530)
Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.
BPP made the sensible decision to not offer garbage LLBs. Either that or they got banned from taking apprentices so they didn't see it as profitable. Chicken and egg situation.
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(Original post by EU Yakov)
so these kids are paying £28000 for what exactly ?? a below 50% chance of graduating and ending up in a decent job ?? why is ULAW even allowed to take undergrads their LPC seems bad enough
(Original post by camapplicant530)
Would rep but not allowed.

Still amazed they’re allowed to take undergrads. Then again a lot of unis probably shouldn’t.
I think the data for ULaw (and indeed that of some of the other universities Johnny has listed) demonstrates a rapidly growing issue: the excessive commercialisation of a university education. It means that more people are going to university than ever to get a level of education that they either don’t need/won’t be able to put to good use. Students’ anxieties about their future prospects in the job market are being used as a sales tactic for universities that are essentially degree mills as opposed to academic spaces.

I’m reasonably pro-free market but every time I see a student who’s gone to one of these degree mills make a self-pitying “I got rejected from everything I applied to” LinkedIn post, I do wonder if some kind of regulation/market standards are needed.
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(Original post by Mikos)
I think the data for ULaw (and indeed that of some of the other universities Johnny has listed) demonstrates a rapidly growing issue: the excessive commercialisation of a university education. It means that more people are going to university than ever to get a level of education that they either don’t need/won’t be able to put to good use. Students’ anxieties about their future prospects in the job market are being used as a sales tactic for universities that are essentially degree mills as opposed to academic spaces.

I’m reasonably pro-free market but every time I see a student who’s gone to one of these degree mills make a self-pitying “I got rejected from everything I applied to” LinkedIn post, I do wonder if some kind of regulation/market standards are needed.
tbh i totally get the sort of people who see uni as a necessarily evil to getting any law job. i was one of those. academic arguments and theories never interested me much. but ULAW pretends it's all about employability and whatnot when it sucks at that too.

ULAW still uses data for 6 months after graduation on their site. easier to cook. "92% of our full-time LLB students graduating in 2017 secured employment or further study within six months of successfully completing their course". yeah turns out that a third of these ended up doing admin or on the dole !!
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TSR shouldn’t advertise this organisation in my opinion
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I am not a fan of the University of Law, I have not attended and I never will attend. I think if you are going to open up a specialist law university then you do it right and doing it right should be offering the absolute best because as a company, they don't have anything else to offer apart from a law course.

I think the university as a whole is just a money making scheme which does not offer its students a fully rounded student experience but advertises that it does. It does not have access to the same careers advice that most of us experienced, the social life and SU. A lot of us on this forum will have attended university almost straight after college, or with a gap year, and have benefited from the support we were given from our colleges and forums such as this. I think the university exploits the segment of the population which does not have that same support and background information that we all benefited from.

HOWEVER, despite the fact that I do not like the university, there are students that are attending this university right now and might be reading this and worrying about their own future. In which case, it is worth noting that 2/3 of students do have a positive outcome 15months after university. It is still achievable but you have to be more motivated than others, you have to take more initiative and it is going to be harder but it is still possible. If you do your research, you engage and you achieve the grades that you require then it can be ok and you can still have a successful career. There are plenty of people out there than can offer guidance and advice as you go along.

By the way The University of Law Students I shouldn't be having to do your job for you. Let me know where to send my invoice.
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damn i thought this was a good uni for breaking into prestigious law jobs
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