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Hey there, I am currently stuck between choosing Kingston for Illustration animation and UAL Camberwell for Illustration and I need to make a firm choice.

Ive been doing a foundation year so I've recieved an offer from Camberwell.UAL is ranked 2 in the world for art and has a very good rep but its pricey to get to for me. I'm personally not a fan of the location and I'm lowkey worried that courses would not be suited to me since foundation was hectic thanks to communication issues and other factors.

Kingston seems like a neat school. i have been getting emails and frequent messages for webinars and it seems more home-y compared to UAL. Its also cheaper to get to at around £5-£6 compared to £14-16 to get to Camberwell which is a huge thing. Furthermore, Kingston itself is a really nice area and I love the atmosphere the place has.
The only thing dragging it down is that I've heard that Kingston has a weird reputation.

Ive decided to put out a list of pros in my head for each.
Kingston
Pros:-Cheaper to get to
-lovely area
-the teachers seem nicer
-im generally more interested in the modules for the Illustration animation course

Camberwell:
Pros:
-Renowned Reputation, ranking 2nd in the world for art.
-as a result, probably easier to find jobs or go into further studies

My mother says to pick UAL but I'll be picking it only just for the reputation. Is that really worth it?
What do you guys think is a good choice?
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(sorry for the English)
I'm having the same issues deciding between
CSM foundation and Kingston Foundation.

It's true what's attractive about UAL is
- Reputation
-opportunities
- lager social media presence you can find tons of videos on students daily life (which makes it more attractive+realistic they talk about the pros and cons)
- It's solely focused on the arts

But it also has a (like most unis) scandals of all types

I also really like Kingston because of the atmosphere it presents (but it's hard to find any ideas of how the student life really is) but if you type Kingston scandals you'll see a site dedicated to it) (it's hard to know about Kingston everything about them comes directly from administration so is it a 100% ?)
-kingston also has different department business, science,.. so that's interesting too

They both have great facilities and in terms of a foundation Kingston would be less competitive
And more relaxing. But I personally like to work independently I've never had a teacher do all my work so ual work style suits me.

I don't know if any of this help but yeah
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Daughter was in the same situation and chose Kingston. It just has a better feel. They have excellent facilities/specialist studios and it feels more like you'd get time in them rather than having to fight for space. I think reputation is overrated. Reputation won't change the work you produce and that's what matters in the end. Nobody will hire you just because you went to Camberwell. They'll be looking at your portfolio. She decided that Kingston felt more supportive and that's what would help her grow as an artist and produce her best work. Also, as they like to tell you over and over--Kingston is #1 in the Guardian League tables for Craft and Design, which includes illustration, so it isn't like they have a bad reputation in the field. I came across the scandal stuff, as well, and from what I could see it had nothing to do with the school of art and it was many years back now. I think that with the current government cuts to "non-essential" (don't get me started!!!) subjects it might be a safer bet to go to a uni that also has departments that teach "essential" subjects. At least funding won't be cut to the whole uni like it will for the poor arts only unis.
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(Original post by Sooey)
Hey there, I am currently stuck between choosing Kingston for Illustration animation and UAL Camberwell for Illustration and I need to make a firm choice.

Ive been doing a foundation year so I've recieved an offer from Camberwell.UAL is ranked 2 in the world for art and has a very good rep but its pricey to get to for me. I'm personally not a fan of the location and I'm lowkey worried that courses would not be suited to me since foundation was hectic thanks to communication issues and other factors.

Kingston seems like a neat school. i have been getting emails and frequent messages for webinars and it seems more home-y compared to UAL. Its also cheaper to get to at around £5-£6 compared to £14-16 to get to Camberwell which is a huge thing. Furthermore, Kingston itself is a really nice area and I love the atmosphere the place has.
The only thing dragging it down is that I've heard that Kingston has a weird reputation.

Ive decided to put out a list of pros in my head for each.
Kingston
Pros:-Cheaper to get to
-lovely area
-the teachers seem nicer
-im generally more interested in the modules for the Illustration animation course

Camberwell:
Pros:
-Renowned Reputation, ranking 2nd in the world for art.
-as a result, probably easier to find jobs or go into further studies

My mother says to pick UAL but I'll be picking it only just for the reputation. Is that really worth it?
What do you guys think is a good choice?
Hi Sooey,

I understand what it is like having to choose between universities and its completely natural to be unsure. As some of the other replies have already said reputation is not the most important thing, you should choose which uni you think you would be most suited to. I think doing a pros and cons list is a great idea to decide between the two and it looks like you have already focused on some of the main things such as location and price etc. Some other things to perhaps look at are the alumni from each course, the current students work, the facilities and what else the uni can offer you (societies/extra curriculum etc.)

I am a UAL student so please do not hesitate to ask me anything about my experiences, although I study at CSM not Camberwell, I think one of the best perks of being at UAL is the fact that it is made up of 6 colleges meaning you have access to the libraries, people and events from all campuses. I'd recommend typing in Camberwell Illustration in Instagram as there seem to be lots of current and past student run accounts with examples of work for you to look at.

Good luck with your decision making.

Kindest,

Tegan
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Hi Sooey,

I understand what it is like having to choose between universities and its completely natural to be unsure. As some of the other replies have already said reputation is not the most important thing, you should choose which uni you think you would be most suited to. I think doing a pros and cons list is a great idea to decide between the two and it looks like you have already focused on some of the main things such as location and price etc. Some other things to perhaps look at are the alumni from each course, the current students work, the facilities and what else the uni can offer you (societies/extra curriculum etc.)

I am a UAL student so please do not hesitate to ask me anything about my experiences, although I study at CSM not Camberwell, I think one of the best perks of being at UAL is the fact that it is made up of 6 colleges meaning you have access to the libraries, people and events from all campuses. I'd recommend typing in Camberwell Illustration in Instagram as there seem to be lots of current and past student run accounts with examples of work for you to look at.

Good luck with your decision making.

Kindest,

Tegan
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Hey there! thank you for replying and suggesting to look into the Alumni, that helped out quite a bit towards decision making. :0

I do have a question about what its like to go to UAL:
1)Was it easy to make friends with the people there? what were the students like at UAL

2) what were your tutors like? were they supportive and clear when it comes to communications?

Thank you :>
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Daughter was in the same situation and chose Kingston. It just has a better feel. They have excellent facilities/specialist studios and it feels more like you'd get time in them rather than having to fight for space. I think reputation is overrated. Reputation won't change the work you produce and that's what matters in the end. Nobody will hire you just because you went to Camberwell. They'll be looking at your portfolio. She decided that Kingston felt more supportive and that's what would help her grow as an artist and produce her best work. Also, as they like to tell you over and over--Kingston is #1 in the Guardian League tables for Craft and Design, which includes illustration, so it isn't like they have a bad reputation in the field. I came across the scandal stuff, as well, and from what I could see it had nothing to do with the school of art and it was many years back now. I think that with the current government cuts to "non-essential" (don't get me started!!!) subjects it might be a safer bet to go to a uni that also has departments that teach "essential" subjects. At least funding won't be cut to the whole uni like it will for the poor arts only unis.
I totally agree with what you think! Reputation shouldnt be the most important fact but at the same time, it really does thanks to my mother continuously urging me to go for a more reputable school argh!
In the end, I think that Kingston seems like a better choice overall. I do to have to ask if its alright,
Has your daughter started her course yet? if so, what does she think of it?
If she hasnt, thats ok. I hope your daughter enjoys it there!
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I totally agree with what you think! Reputation shouldnt be the most important fact but at the same time, it really does thanks to my mother continuously urging me to go for a more reputable school argh!
In the end, I think that Kingston seems like a better choice overall. I do to have to ask if its alright,
Has your daughter started her course yet? if so, what does she think of it?
If she hasnt, thats ok. I hope your daughter enjoys it there!
She'll be starting in September. Good luck wherever you end up!
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Hey there! thank you for replying and suggesting to look into the Alumni, that helped out quite a bit towards decision making. :0

I do have a question about what its like to go to UAL:
1)Was it easy to make friends with the people there? what were the students like at UAL

2) what were your tutors like? were they supportive and clear when it comes to communications?

Thank you :>
Hey Sooey,

Great to hear that my previous post was helpful to you.

UAL is pretty big place, it's made up of 6 colleges, which means there are so many different people. I've met interesting people who all do different things but have creativity in common. I did my foundation at CSM and am now in my 2nd year of BA. I met most of my friends in my first year of being in London at my UAL halls, some of these people I even live with now! I have also met friends through my course and other courses that we do projects with. I feel like (prior to Covid) I met lots of other students just from being on campus and chatting to people, as well as getting involved with projects. The student body on the whole is pretty varied depending on your course and college.

Tutors vary from course to course but I have found all my tutors to be helpful and supportive. I also like that we quite often have guest lecturers which stops things from getting boring! My tutors have always been easy to contact via email and there is a service called Academic Support which is good if you need any extra help with assignments or just want a different opinion from someone who is not your specific tutor.

I hope that is of some help.

All the best,

Tegan
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