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does anyone know if Fellow CILEx members are eligible to masters in law?
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Surprised no one has answered this. The honest answer is that it depends. I'm neither a law graduate nor a fellow of CILEx but there are a number of LLMs that are open to me because of my qualification as a chartered secretary. There are also LLMs that in reality are GDLs with a dissertation, open to any graduate.

The only way you can really answer the question is to find the LLM you want to do and read the entry requirements.
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Surprised no one has answered this. The honest answer is that it depends. I'm neither a law graduate nor a fellow of CILEx but there are a number of LLMs that are open to me because of my qualification as a chartered secretary. There are also LLMs that in reality are GDLs with a dissertation, open to any graduate.

The only way you can really answer the question is to find the LLM you want to do and read the entry requirements.
wait so, chartered secretary meaning... you've completed the legal secretary diploma? (im asking because i think ive done the same)

Thanks for that though, ill look into it!
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wait so, chartered secretary meaning... you've completed the legal secretary diploma? (im asking because i think ive done the same)

Thanks for that though, ill look into it!
No, a chartered secretary is a specialist in corporate governance and corporate law (think incorporation, maintaining share registers, advising the board on corporate law matters, responsibility for statutory documents, organising the AGM and board meetings etc). It's a level 6 qualification and quite a popular option for LLBs who choose a career other than lawyer!
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I was actually looking at a university of law llm that gets you the required exams to be a chartered secretary.

https://www.law.ac.uk/study/postgrad...g/#start-dates

Only need a degree, not a law degree.
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No, a chartered secretary is a specialist in corporate governance and corporate law (think incorporation, maintaining share registers, advising the board on corporate law matters, responsibility for statutory documents, organising the AGM and board meetings etc). It's a level 6 qualification and quite a popular option for LLBs who choose a career other than lawyer!
Ohh i see, thats something I've never heard of before then but as you say its level 6, im sure the cilex level 6 is equivalent, which could also mean that the LLM could be open to me once i complete the level 6, and i also have an option B (SQE) route available too.

As of now, im glad there are a wide range of legal opportunities available for a non-degree route, so i will have to give all the Uni’s a call and see what i get!
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I was actually looking at a university of law llm that gets you the required exams to be a chartered secretary.

https://www.law.ac.uk/study/postgrad...g/#start-dates

Only need a degree, not a law degree.
Another 2-5 years! And the after route doesnt help you become a lawyer or solicitor. This may not necessarily be for me but great insight to a similar legal experience. Thanks for the info!
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Another 2-5 years! And the after route doesnt help you become a lawyer or solicitor. This may not necessarily be for me but great insight to a similar legal experience. Thanks for the info!
Well, yes, a chartered secretary is certainly not a lawyer of any kind. I'm trained in corporate law and can advise boards accordingly but it's not legal advice.

Corporate secretaryship is a career that attracts qualified solicitors and barristers and my own interest in pursuing legal qualifications now is to open the door to bigger roles in my field that have largely been closed because of an influx of lawyers and accountants. ICSA (now the CGI) on its own doesn't tend to get the respect it deserves in the UK not because it's an easy qualification (it shares a lot of content with chartered accountancy but has very little focus on audit and tax and a lot more focus on corporate law and governance) but because a lot of people have not heard of it. It is much more well known in offshore jurisdictions, Ireland, Luxembourg etc for obvious reasons. One of my gripes is that the CGI does not sell itself very well or seek to demonstrate the strength and depth of its qualifications (e.g. they don't even bother to arrange standard exemptions with the chartered accountancy bodies despite the huge crossover in content - I can't even get an exemption for corporate law from the ICAEW!).

Anyone considering ICSA or a masters in corporate governance should be prepared to do further study either to become an expert in their chosen industry or by dual qualifying as either a solicitor (or a barrister, although realistically no one is going to take a few years out learning to be a barrister to boost their CoSec career!) or an accountant.

One other thing to say is that lawyers must be very careful when undertaking the role of company secretary. Every piece of advice that they give should be caveated as not being legal advice. The benefit of a CoSec is that by not providing legal advice, they can be more flexible in advising on risks where the law is not clear whereas any decent solicitor would presumably provide the most risk averse legal advice.
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Yes I am a charted accountant so moving into company sec seems a good plan for later parts of my career, could do part time for a few companies.
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