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I'm slightly late to this but I thought it's worth mentioning that ProtectWarwickWomen and the university have reached a "mutually acceptable conclusion" to the protests.

https://warwick.ac.uk/students/news/...statement_from

A statement is also on ProtectWarwickWomen's social media. Their proposals can be found there and on the above linked page. Hopefully this should help at least partially reassure applicants and offer holders that have worries.
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I'm slightly late to this but I thought it's worth mentioning that ProtectWarwickWomen and the university have reached a "mutually acceptable conclusion" to the protests.

https://warwick.ac.uk/students/news/...statement_from

A statement is also on ProtectWarwickWomen's social media. Their proposals can be found there and on the above linked page. Hopefully this should help at least partially reassure applicants and offer holders that have worries.
What is done to protect men? This is a total travesty one rule for one not for the other #Notallwomen

Some men are being treated as if they are all rapist because of some very evil people who share the same immutable characteristics to them. This is not balanced at all. A small percentage of women hate men and actively discriminate against them yet misandry is not considered a hate crime and it does not have the same rights as misogyny. Men get discriminated against in the same way women claim to be at work etc.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...mself-23514995
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8184916.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47738892
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...es-ordeal.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102689...-compensation/
https://www.d-a-b-s.co.uk/post/misan...hts-commission
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news...s-ruined-life/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...freed-17-years
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynb...h=f034c3b864d8
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk...e-accusations/
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/n...before-4174156

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-boss-23566068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wendy0MYNhY

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...25802420949069

If I was a man I would not go to Warwick university.
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What is done to protect men? This is a total travesty one rule for one not for the other #Notallwomen

Some men are being treated as if they are all rapist because of some very evil people who share the same immutable characteristics to them. This is not balanced at all. A small percentage of women hate men and actively discriminate against them yet misandry is not considered a hate crime and it does not have the same rights as misogyny. Men get discriminated against in the same way women claim to be at work etc.

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...mself-23514995
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8184916.html
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-47738892
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/a...es-ordeal.html
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/102689...-compensation/
https://www.d-a-b-s.co.uk/post/misan...hts-commission
https://www.worcesternews.co.uk/news...s-ruined-life/
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...freed-17-years
https://www.forbes.com/sites/karlynb...h=f034c3b864d8
https://www.warringtonguardian.co.uk...e-accusations/
https://www.leicestermercury.co.uk/n...before-4174156

https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-new...-boss-23566068
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wendy0MYNhY

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...25802420949069

If I was a man I would not go to Warwick university.
when you look at their goals and accomplishments, the vast majority of them are gender neutral and protect men too. The word "woman" appears only once in their manifesto. Pleasingly, they did not use the exclusionary legal definitions of rape. It's definitely a positive step for the university so I don't really understand this response.

The name is not unexpected - it's (unfortunately) consistent with most people's idea of SA.
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when you look at their goals and accomplishments, the vast majority of them are gender neutral and protect men too. The word "woman" appears only once in their manifesto. Pleasingly, they did not use the exclusionary legal definitions of rape. It's definitely a positive step for the university so I don't really understand this response.

The name is not unexpected - it's (unfortunately) consistent with most people's idea of SA.
The reality of the matter is that words are important, names are important. With a drive for equality, diversity and inclusion the name ProtectWarwickWomen is very uninclusive to a number of groups. I also consider it a form of soft bigotry to say that women exclusively need protection. This should be protect Warwick students but I understand that it's a student group rather than the university.

The mandatory training around consent and "toxic masculinity" sounds like indoctrination and an attack towards MEN. By labelling it "toxic masculinity" is labelling it as a Man problem rather than what it actually is an individual conduct problem that may be magnified in a group setting. What about "toxic feminist" behaviour that has been linked to men being attacked, bullies and committing suicide? What is done about false accusations?

https://warwick.ac.uk/students/news/...nse_to_pww.pdf
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The reality of the matter is that words are important, names are important. With a drive for equality, diversity and inclusion the name ProtectWarwickWomen is very uninclusive to a number of groups. I also consider it a form of soft bigotry to say that women exclusively need protection. This should be protect Warwick students but I understand that it's a student group rather than the university.

The mandatory training around consent and "toxic masculinity" sounds like indoctrination and an attack towards MEN. By labelling it "toxic masculinity" is labelling it as a Man problem rather than what it actually is an individual conduct problem that may be magnified in a group setting. What about "toxic feminist" behaviour that has been linked to men being attacked, bullies and committing suicide? What is done about false accusations?

https://warwick.ac.uk/students/news/...nse_to_pww.pdf
I'm not a fan of the name I'd agree, but it's a relatively minor point when the movement succeeded. I would have taken problem if the objectives were heavily gendered, but they were not and were pleasingly inclusive. I think this is a victory for all Warwick students.

I didn't see the toxic masculinity part - it was about the university's response to PWW rather than what they said. I do agree it's a bit of a weird one - although it's not supposed to be accusatory, it does come across that way. (I don't think it's a very good name for "our attitudes towards and expectations of men are ****ed up", which is supposed to be part of it) I would have to see what they give us.

The consent course was a bit patronising (didn't finish it) but did its job. I do see its value in helping victims understand that they have been abused or are in abusive relationships, and lower-level sexual harassment where the harasser could feasibly believe that what they are doing is in good fun. I personally don't think it really does much to stop the most serious offences, (why do murderers kill people if they know murder is wrong?) but it does have some value. I disagree with the characterisation that they are an attack on men, it was all pretty gender neutral.

Misandry is something I've seen here & should be addressed. (eg. having a men's officer) But I guess it's one step at a time.
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I'm not a fan of the name I'd agree, but it's a relatively minor point when the movement succeeded. I would have taken problem if the objectives were heavily gendered, but they were not and were pleasingly inclusive. I think this is a victory for all Warwick students.

I didn't see the toxic masculinity part - it was about the university's response to PWW rather than what they said. I do agree it's a bit of a weird one - although it's not supposed to be accusatory, it does come across that way. (I don't think it's a very good name for "our attitudes towards and expectations of men are ****ed up", which is supposed to be part of it) I would have to see what they give us.

The consent course was a bit patronising (didn't finish it) but did its job. I do see its value in helping victims understand that they have been abused or are in abusive relationships, and lower-level sexual harassment where the harasser could feasibly believe that what they are doing is in good fun. I personally don't think it really does much to stop the most serious offences, (why do murderers kill people if they know murder is wrong?) but it does have some value. I disagree with the characterisation that they are an attack on men, it was all pretty gender neutral.

Misandry is something I've seen here & should be addressed. (eg. having a men's officer) But I guess it's one step at a time.
Words are important because we see the world through language to some degree. Also, the law is heavily based on language. Language is an important factor in any post modernist movement. Hence shy I object to "toxic masculinity", that term should be scrapped and use the term that is in line with proper legal wording, for example, "behaviour that is designed to cause alarm harassment and distress."
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Words are important because we see the world through language to some degree. Also, the law is heavily based on language. Language is an important factor in any post modernist movement. Hence shy I object to "toxic masculinity", that term should be scrapped and use the term that is in line with proper legal wording, for example, "behaviour that is designed to cause alarm harassment and distress."
I don't disagree. The name is just reflective of current attitudes regarding IPV/SA and it's hard to contend it without seeming "off". It's had a positive impact on students and I'll take that. Hopefully a sign of good things to come.
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I don't disagree. The name is just reflective of current attitudes regarding IPV/SA and it's hard to contend it without seeming "off". It's had a positive impact on students and I'll take that. Hopefully a sign of good things to come.
If I was a student at Warwick I would try my utmost to get the language change even if I had to take it to court.
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