the joys of being gay!

I dislike the "it's not natural" argument.. Why is it so pleasurable for gay people if it's something innately wrong?

Plus.. even if certain parts of our bodies were designed in order to fulfil a function, it doesn't mean it's wrong to use it for another function.. Funny how homosexual sex is wrong because we are "meant" to have sex in order to conceive. Funny how these same people likely engage in sexual relations that don't result in conception. Elaboration will get me banned but I'm sure it's not hard to guess what I'm getting at.

To extend it to a non-sexual example.. we use our hands for loads of things. If our hands and the way we use them have evolved in order to help us carry out functions to keep us alive, why is it still okay to use them for things not related to our survival?

~ok, but i'm thinking of the child here. THe infant is the innocent one, i don't think it's right that jsut because the couple WANT a child, they automatically have a right to be parents....it's not a 'natural' environment for the child. there must be a reason why only a man and woman can create a child..if we look at evolution and the whole story...somewhere down the track, there weren't two male whales that managed to conceive a baby whale! We look at the sturggle for survival...the upbringing of a child with a mother and father must be the ideal environment...imo

~ok, but i'm thinking of the child here. THe infant is the innocent one, i don't think it's right that jsut because the couple WANT a child, they automatically have a right to be parents....it's not a 'natural' environment for the child. there must be a reason why only a man and woman can create a child..if we look at evolution and the whole story...somewhere down the track, there weren't two male whales that managed to conceive a baby whale! We look at the sturggle for survival...the upbringing of a child with a mother and father must be the ideal environment...imo

If you notice, I make none of those arguments. Sex is for pleasure as well as reproduction, (IMO), but the thought of - sodomy - ... Sorry, that's the way I am. I'm not condemning people who do it, that's not my job, but I ... ...sorry... I don't like it.

If you notice, I make none of those arguments. Sex is for pleasure as well as reproduction, (IMO), but the thought of - sodomy - ... Sorry, that's the way I am. I'm not condemning people who do it, that's not my job, but I ... ...sorry... I don't like it.

you seem quite tolerant. you seem to appreciate that nobody's asking you to have sex with a man. if one of your friends came out, would you still hug them etc out of friendship?

My best friend is raising her child with her lesbian partner and he's doing great. he still has male role models in his uncle and grandfather and is developing as any other child would. People who adopt children will still go through the meticulous system that everyone else does so that children are placed with the best parents that there are.

Personally I would rather see a child in a loving home than being moved around or in childrens homes.

many people think that to be gay is wrong and shouldnt happen. i have even experienced people who say that it is abnormal!
the truth is that it is not abnormal in any way and people who believe that are either just plain scared that you will try and hit on them, or are narrow minded and still have not begun to live in the 21st century! what really annoys me is the view a lot of my friends have of me, especially when they constantly believe that all i do is slag about with any other gay guy that i think is fit.
what are your opinions on gay people?

~ok, but i'm thinking of the child here. THe infant is the innocent one, i don't think it's right that jsut because the couple WANT a child, they automatically have a right to be parents....it's not a 'natural' environment for the child. there must be a reason why only a man and woman can create a child..if we look at evolution and the whole story...somewhere down the track, there weren't two male whales that managed to conceive a baby whale! We look at the sturggle for survival...the upbringing of a child with a mother and father must be the ideal environment...imo

~that's great that he's in a lving home and has male role models


i dont disagree with that, but here u're only giving 2 options
what about a loving foster home with a man and woman---or a gay couple wanting the same child ... imean we would need continued long term research/studies to see the effects of same sex parenting for children, if they are indeed any

I don't know, really. I don't hug people out of friendship much. I suppose, I hug girls out of friendship, I hug straight guys out of friendship, the gay guy would still be my friend. And it's not like their skin excretes sulphuric acid. I suppose I would, but I don't really know.

if one of your friends came out, would you still hug them etc out of friendship?

Its not my cup of tea either but there are some heterosexual couples who are into that sort of thing.

your religious beliefs seem to indicate that you're quite liberal in letting other people do whatever they want when it doesn't hurt other people. you don't seem to hold others up to your own personal moral standards.

You are talking about two seperate things. There is a difference between the conception of and nurturing of a child. But there is a relationship b/w the two. only last nite i was watching a story bout how they studied thousands of children in Queensland from their birth till 21 yrs old and how their environment /family history had affected their development and obv families with a good relationship b/w husband and wife, good family communicatoin etc did well, but so did single mothers...there wasnt any mention about single father situations,let alone two!. Of course in reality there IS no ideal environment, but i think the child SHOULD be given a chance to START in develepment in the natural state
On your reasoning a child should only be brought up in an ideal environment, in reality that often doesn't exist. Are you talking about a loving environment?
A man and woman won't necesarily love each other or treat the child well,
look at families who are man and woman who have kids for the wrong reason - social handouts etc and treat their kids badly. Is that a natural and rightful environment for a child. the 'natural' part is the creation of the child by man and woman. A child learns that he/she comes from the parents...i just think there COULD be problems psychologically of grasping the fact of having 2 Dads...i'mn not an expert on this...this is just MY initial thoughts on itWhat about single parents under your reasoning is that as unacceptable as gay parents?
You use nature to substantiate your argument but although in nature offspring are conceived by man woman they often aren't bought up that way. In nature and the animal species single parents are the overwhelming rule with the male involvement often not going beyond conception, also monogamous relationships are not the norm in the animal world so I don't see how you can use that as an argument against gay parenting.

With other mammals it is necesary for the mother to nurture the child because of their milk, as humans we have evolved beyond that with supplements and other sources of milk, a mother is not absolutely necessary for that role. Why would this have happened if we were only intended to have simple relationships.

congratulations on your gay thread.

now. desist.

Now now technik, play nicely.