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why are oxbridge terms so short & without a break?

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Reply 80
FTC199
edinburgh dont have reading weeks and our first semester is 13 weeks (last 2 are exams so effectively 11 weeks constant work) and then we finish at christmas

and our second is 17 weeks with a break for easter in the middle

I don't think medics anywhere tend to get reading weeks...
English students in edinburgh certainly used to get one in the autumn term.
Actually, now that I think about it, I think at least once last year, the Classicists (or at least the Classicists at Worcester) had a "reading week". Though all this meant was that they didn't have tutorials. They still had lectures and work to do :s-smilie:
Reply 82
hobnob
Think for themselves, yes, but "innovation" is perhaps slightly too big a word for it. After all, let's be realistic here: it's kind of unlikely that you'll revolutionise your field through essays you write in your first year.:wink:


yes- I see your point
I wish my essays were more innovative :rolleyes:
Reply 83
rkd
Well, I assume I only have one a week. Definitely do this term, but next term I might get taught in-college for a paper and it's plausible that my tutor will be mean and set more...but I think I'm going back out of college in the third term so I'll be free of Merton workload insanity again.


I guess as someone already said, in subjects like History and other social sciences, that is one thoroughly researched essay- which will take time no matter how clever you are, as opposed to Literature, where it is more likely that you can real off an interesting reading of the text without putting in hours into preparation/planning
Reply 84
yellowwdaisy
I guess as someone already said, in subjects like History and other social sciences, that is one thoroughly researched essay- which will take time no matter how clever you are, as opposed to Literature, where it is more likely that you can real off an interesting reading of the text without putting in hours into preparation/planning

Hmm, I'm not so sure I agree with this, actually... There is a reason why English tutors tend to give out a lengthy reading list each week, and there is a reason why they usually expect you to get through most (though perhaps not all) of it. Interesting readings of a text don't just form in a vacuum and they don't exist in a vacuum either - they are interesting relative to something. In order to be able to come up with a genuinely interesting reading, you have to familiarise yourself with that "something" first, otherwise it will just be a stab in the dark, as you can't possibly know whether what you're saying really is interesting and innovative, or whether it's actually been a critical commonplace ever since the 1930s (or the 1990s, for that matter).
Reply 85
hobnob
Hmm, I'm not so sure I agree with this, actually... There is a reason why English tutors tend to give out a lengthy reading list each week, and there is a reason why they usually expect you to get through most (though perhaps not all) of it. Interesting readings of a text don't just form in a vacuum and they don't exist in a vacuum either - they are interesting relative to something. In order to be able to come up with a genuinely interesting reading, you have to familiarise yourself with that "something" first, otherwise it will just be a stab in the dark, as you can't possibly know whether what you're saying really is interesting and innovative, or whether it's actually been a critical commonplace ever since the 1930s (or the 1990s, for that matter).


(I wasn't talking about innovation there)
I just meant- I always found it much easier to read critical works of texts and use them to give an edge to my reading- or even a thorough incorporation of my response to that reading in relation to the text, than to do research on a historical or social geography topic

Of course I haven't ever properly studied a social science or studied as an undergrad so I certainly don't know
Reply 86
Athena

He's a lucky bastard, then - I arrived in Oxford on Sunday 0th week, and on Tuesday 0th week had an essay set for Sunday 1st week.


I thought lectures and tutorials only started in week one?
yellowwdaisy
I thought lectures and tutorials only started in week one?

That doesn't stop you being given a load of work in 0th week to be done for 1st week.....
This term I was given two tute sheets on thursday/friday of 0th week that were in for 1st week and had been given another before the summer.
I wouldn't try asking that...and there are several reasons why that wouldn't be sensible anyway (mainly the lack of academic resources). Everyone is also in the same boat in freshers week when it comes to work so it's not like you'll be at a disadvantage if you're given stuff to do.
yellowwdaisy
what sort of things?
do you know if its possible to ask to be given that work before you arrive so you don't spoil your freshers week :s-smilie:


You might well be busy with other set work before you arrive - revision sheets etc.
Reply 90
yellowwdaisy
what sort of things?
do you know if its possible to ask to be given that work before you arrive so you don't spoil your freshers week :s-smilie:

No, you'll have to live with it. For the social sciences/humanities it would be difficult to do at home as you won't have access to reading lists/jstor etc.
Reply 91
what the hell?
why did I get negative repped for asking questions????
Reply 92
yellowwdaisy
(I wasn't talking about innovation there)
I just meant- I always found it much easier to read critical works of texts and use them to give an edge to my reading- or even a thorough incorporation of my response to that reading in relation to the text, than to do research on a historical or social geography topic

Well, if one suits you more than the other, fair enough - that's probably why you're not applying to do History or Geography.:dontknow: Nevertheless it's still research, you still have to do it and it's still time-consuming. At degree level, literature isn't about simply reeling off your thoughts about a poem or novel (well, you can do that, of course, but it usually makes for a bad essay) without wasting too much time on research or planning your argument, which is what your post seemed to imply.
Reply 93
The_Lonely_Goatherd
Actually, now that I think about it, I think at least once last year, the Classicists (or at least the Classicists at Worcester) had a "reading week". Though all this meant was that they didn't have tutorials. They still had lectures and work to do :s-smilie:


Isn't there a move towards only having tutors teach seven tutes a term, to give them more research time and thus the uni more money? It's officially the case in History, at least (not that my tutor pays attention...)
parkerpen
No, you'll have to live with it. For the social sciences/humanities it would be difficult to do at home as you won't have access to reading lists/jstor etc.


This, OP. I could have done so much reading over the summer, but they didn't give me the subject handbook with the reading lists until I got back :s-smilie:
rkd
Isn't there a move towards only having tutors teach seven tutes a term, to give them more research time and thus the uni more money? It's officially the case in History, at least (not that my tutor pays attention...)


I've no idea. I can imagine such a move being very popular with the tutors though! :smile:
Reply 96
Athena
Some tutors really like teaching, and would happily take on more than seven hours a term (they do get paid, after all).

Well, they'll be teaching considerably more than seven hours a term anyway, even if that change is introduced...:wink:
Reply 97
Athena
I've said something stupid there, but I can't work out what... :frown:


:wink:
Reply 98
Athena
Then why bother limiting it to seven tutes per term? If your tutor can go out and start giving tutes to a student at another college, cutting down the number given to each student doesn't necessarily limit things...

Well, you'd still be reducing the overall number of hours a tutor spends teaching.
Reply 99
Athena
Unless you're a tutor who wants to do x hours of teaching per term (to earn y amount). Then you just put yourself forward for teaching at more colleges.

Well, yes, but I'd venture a guess that the real intention behind this isn't actually to save tutors work so they have more time for their research but to save the college money. Or maybe I'm just too cynical...

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