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Hi Would you mind giving some info on the alternative route that you took? I've been looking at the STP in ophthalmology, but am very reluctant to leave the company/team I'm working for now. If there was a way of my obtaining training through another route I would seriously consider it. I've read up a bit on the equivalence process but other than that I'm at a bit of a loss really!Thanks!
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Clinical scientist is a protected title and in order to work as a clinical scientist you must be registered with the Health and Cares Professions Council. There are several routes to clinical scientist HCPC registration that aren't the STP (I left the STP and used a different route) - but you can't just apply for a job as a clinical scientist with a PhD and no HCPC registration.

A department may be happy to take you and let you work towards it on the route a scheme, an apprenticeship, or via equivalence but you wouldn't be a clinical scientist when you started the job. And for each of those you will still need to do equivalent clinical learning against the STP scheme. This wouldn't be the case in any specialism that has statutory registration (mandatory under current UK law in order to authorise patient results) which is most of the life sciences - microbiology, biochemistry etc.

(I'm not trying to contradict your experience and I'm really glad academia is working out for you, but that really isn't the case for most specialisms)
Yes - thanks for clarification. She said that would consider me with a PhD and no HCPC registration but I'd need to work towards it on the job like you say. And yes this is very specific to genetics.
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Hello everyone,
I have just completed my second year at university (Medical Genetics) with a CWA of 70.19. Very pleased and I’m anticipating applying for the STP in Jan 2022.
I’m hoping to apply for the Cancer Genomics course but I am very nervous for the application process. Do you guys have any advice for the 5 questions that they ask (i.e things you must include)? I have also seen that there is a situational judgement test. Is this test particularly difficult and how long did it take?
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Hello people anyone for Microbiology STP? 🙂
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(Original post by mlrooluw)
Hi Would you mind giving some info on the alternative route that you took? I've been looking at the STP in ophthalmology, but am very reluctant to leave the company/team I'm working for now. If there was a way of my obtaining training through another route I would seriously consider it. I've read up a bit on the equivalence process but other than that I'm at a bit of a loss really!Thanks!
Hey! Sorry for the late reply (my specialism is virology so things are very busy at the moment).

I know of seven routes to HCPC registration as a clinical scientist. The STP is by far the most common but by no means the only one.

What type of company do you work for? Because every route involves working in your specialism in healthcare for several years.
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Hello people anyone for Microbiology STP? 🙂
Me!
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Me! I am looking forward to it! Any clues as we prepare for the application?
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Hey! Sorry for the late reply (my specialism is virology so things are very busy at the moment).

I know of seven routes to HCPC registration as a clinical scientist. The STP is by far the most common but by no means the only one.

What type of company do you work for? Because every route involves working in your specialism in healthcare for several years.
Hi. It is great to see someone specialising in Virology. I will like to specialise in Virology too. I already have a PhD but I have been finding it difficult to get the STP equivalence without a clinical experience . I have tried to apply for the equivalence but I don't have any clinical experience and it just seem impossible if you don't work in the NHS. I currently work as a Scientist with a research institute but I can't get the equivalence because I don't have any clinical experience. Any suggestions? I am currently considering the STP as this seem to be my only get in route!!
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Hi. It is great to see someone specialising in Virology. I will like to specialise in Virology too. I already have a PhD but I have been finding it difficult to get the STP equivalence without a clinical experience . I have tried to apply for the equivalence but I don't have any clinical experience and it just seem impossible if you don't work in the NHS. I currently work as a Scientist with a research institute but I can't get the equivalence because I don't have any clinical experience. Any suggestions? I am currently considering the STP as this seem to be my only get in route!!
Hey!

Loads of people start the STP with a PhD (although it also entirely possible to start without). I think most people would struggle to demonstrate STP equivalence purely from a PhD as it isn't likely to cover the breadth of the STP competencies, particularly in the clinical, technical and quality sections.

I'll also add - you can't initially specialise in virology, you have to complete the STP (or any other route) in microbiology including bacteriology / molecular pathology / epidemiology.

Happy to have a chat if that helps?
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Hey!

Loads of people start the STP with a PhD (although it also entirely possible to start without). I think most people would struggle to demonstrate STP equivalence purely from a PhD as it isn't likely to cover the breadth of the STP competencies, particularly in the clinical, technical and quality sections.

I'll also add - you can't initially specialise in virology, you have to complete the STP (or any other route) in microbiology including bacteriology / molecular pathology / epidemiology.

Happy to have a chat if that helps?
Sure. We can have a chat if that is okay by you . Thanks.
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Sure. We can have a chat if that is okay by you . Thanks.
Sure! Always happy to chat to potential applicants. Will send you a message.
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Sure! Always happy to chat to potential applicants. Will send you a message.
Hey. Thanks. I saw your message but as I am new on here, I couldn't reply . If you don't mind sending me your LinkedIn name privately and I can chat you directly from LinkedIn? the student room won't let me send a PM until I have been a member for 3 days or asked a question on any forum. Thanks.
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Hello people anyone for Microbiology STP? 🙂
Yes. I plan to apply for microbiology too!!
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Hi all! I just wanted to share my experience in case it is of help to anyone thinking about doing the STP in genetics:I had done a BSc and MRes in Biosciences and genetics and have a particular interest in clinical genetics so had volunteered for several years for a charity that provides genetic testing. I really REALLY wanted to do the STP as I thought this is my only chance at getting into NHS clinical genetics - and I wanted a chance to learn how to look at genes and diagnose people. I applied 3 times - first time with a rubbish application in 3rd year undergrad and didnt get thru surprise surprise, 2nd time genetic counselling and got to interview and shortlisted for job, 3rd time genetics and got to interview but they were cancelled bec of covid and they took the top candidates.Long story later looking at all other options (at this point 27 years old with a child) and I really didnt want to spend time in a full time basic lab job in the hope I get more experience to apply to STP year after.I never wanted to do a PhD for the sake of it, but an amazing PhD opportunity came up which I applied and got in and am in my second year now! and SO happy I am not on the STP- I get to look at patient genes and data- I was given the opportunity to learn how to code and deal with big data- I can be creative and think of strategies to improve diagnosis, I can look in non-coding regions, I can speak and meet with interesting people, I work at the cutting edge of the field and have so many cool opportunitiesSecond year in and I still had this itch to be a clinical scientist so I met with the lead clinical scientist at the hospital near my uni and she told me that because I will have a PhD in something so related to clinical science job I can apply straight for a clinical scientist position without doing the STP (i never knew this was an option!) I would on the job complete competencies but be paid same level as STP but without doing the STP! And she thought I would have a good chance at getting in. So that was something I had no idea existed! I could spend 3 years doing a super interesting PhD and then go straight to clinical scientist without the headaching of the STP.All that being said, I don't think the clinical scientist role is for me. I think I prefer to stay in research having room for
I think you're talking about a "Pre-registration Clinical Scientist" position. I've applied for these a few times with no luck because I don't have a PhD, so you do have a good chance of getting in. But this is no the same thing as a Clinical Scientist. You do the on the job competencies but this takes roughly 3/4 years and is actually very similar to the STP, just more on-the-job based. You still have to do a portfolio and pass various assessments in order to register. I'm happy that you're happy doing your PhD but please make sure you understand what a pre-registration job is because it is still a very long and hard route and is not too different from the STP. (I work as a genetics intern in a clinical genetic lab and work closely with clinical scientist and pre-reg's)
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Does anyone know if applications for 2022 entry has closed? Am confused as to weather I’ve missed this admission cycle
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Does anyone know if applications for 2022 entry has closed? Am confused as to weather I’ve missed this admission cycle
No the applications for entry 2022 haven't opened yet. They usually open in the January for entry in the September
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No the applications for entry 2022 haven't opened yet. They usually open in the January for entry in the September
Thank you!! I thought so but I saw somewhere they closed in oct and got abit confused
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Hey guys - anyone thinking of applying for Neurophys?
I have recently come across the STP, and am struggling to find info on what will be required in the application?
Also are there any good sites for practice SJT questions?
Finally, lol, what universities do the Neurophys STP? It's a little confusing on the NHS STP website, perhaps the locations change yearly?
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The universities for each specialism are on the NSHCS website: https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/services/ac...demic-courses/

Each hospital department will pick from the ones available. The hospital training locations (so which posts you can apply for) change each year and will update before / when applications open.

The application changed in 2021 from previous years and it may change again this year. I wouldn't rely on how it's been previously - unless the NSHCS say differently.
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Hi! I was just wondering, from when applications open how long do we have to complete it and roughly when is the close date?
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