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I got onto the STP with my undergrad degree so having a PhD definitely isn't a necessity but honestly make sure it's for you and what you want to do. Perhaps, a PhD would have you more mentally prepared.

I had false misconceptions about it and I'm now severely struggling with the program due to several reasons (knowing it won't lead me to where I want to be, location, people, poor mental health), although I try as much as I can.

Not saying it would be the case for everyone but just for me, anyway, it is. I personally don't feel I fit into the culture and type of people who do this. So it's a pretty lonely road for me.

So all i'm saying is if you want to spend your life being a clinical scientist and working up that ladder then go for it. Best to get some work experience too in your department to know what it really would be like. For some people, it might be just what they were looking to do and they might enjoy it.

Remember you could be posted to any location, and you will be there for three years besides doing a master's degree. You could liken it to medical training, wherein you're posted to any random part of UK and have to do different rotations of hospitals and training. It's not a small commitment especially if you're young so you're 20s would be used up quickly (i'm sure you'll be aware of this though).

Maybe if I read a post like this last year, it would have changed my mind and I wouldn't be in the dilemma i'm currently in, plus someone else could have had this place who really wanted it, so maybe this helps someone like me.
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I got onto the STP with my undergrad degree so having a PhD definitely isn't a necessity but honestly make sure it's for you and what you want to do. Perhaps, a PhD would have you more mentally prepared.

I had false misconceptions about it and I'm now severely struggling with the program due to several reasons (knowing it won't lead me to where I want to be, location, people, poor mental health), although I try as much as I can.

Not saying it would be the case for everyone but just for me, anyway, it is. I personally don't feel I fit into the culture and type of people who do this. So it's a pretty lonely road for me.

So all i'm saying is if you want to spend your life being a clinical scientist and working up that ladder then go for it. Best to get some work experience too in your department to know what it really would be like. For some people, it might be just what they were looking to do and they might enjoy it.

Remember you could be posted to any location, and you will be there for three years besides doing a master's degree. You could liken it to medical training, wherein you're posted to any random part of UK and have to do different rotations of hospitals and training. It's not a small commitment especially if you're young so you're 20s would be used up quickly (i'm sure you'll be aware of this though).

Maybe if I read a post like this last year, it would have changed my mind and I wouldn't be in the dilemma i'm currently in, plus someone else could have had this place who really wanted it, so maybe this helps someone like me.
I’m really sorry to hear you’re struggling, I might say obvious things but - is there someone you can talk to from the nshcs - maybe to change location or something, they are also committed to you and your well-being, it might be easier to move location now you are doing it. I watched their video of updating the course etc and they talked about how students should contact them in similar circumstances, they won’t want you to leave so maybe can make it nicer for you in some way.
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Nice! A colleague of mine also has a PhD and wants to work in neuro and is currently going through the BMS route of getting HCPC registered for some NHS experience. It is an entirely non-patient facing role though so I'm sure there are many other ways of getting experience.
Hello, how do you go about registering with HCPC if you are were not doing an accredited degree? I did Biochem and have a PhD.
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https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/...-for-stp-2022/

They've updated the website, slightly different application timeframes than previous years
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Hello, how do you go about registering with HCPC if you are were not doing an accredited degree? I did Biochem and have a PhD.
It can be done. Unfortunately, it involves doing top-up modules whilst your work in order to get the accredited modules added on top of your undergrad degree. If you are working in the NHS most labs will pay for the cost of the modules if you agree to stay for a year or two once you become a BMS (to cover the cost of the modules). You may also pay for the modules yourself.

There is a bit of push at the moment for HCPC and the IBMS to get rid of these rules about having an accredited degree due to the current staff crisis in the NHS as it does alienate a lot of perfectly qualified people from working in the profession.

I don't know your situation but if you have a PhD then there are certainly other jobs out there for you (probably better paid as well ).
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I’ve seen that they’ve posted the 2022 key dates and other details online now. Does anyone know when they release the list of specialisms by locations? I want to apply this year but only if there is a place available for my preferred location.
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Guys so I've just had a look at the time frame for this year's application. Does anyone else think that the 2-week window for the initial application is kind of crazy, especially as from what I've seen in previous years you'd get around a month if not more. Wow. They must really want to limit the number of applicants lol.
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Guys so I've just had a look at the time frame for this year's application. Does anyone else think that the 2-week window for the initial application is kind of crazy, especially as from what I've seen in previous years you'd get around a month if not more. Wow. They must really want to limit the number of applicants lol.
I thought the exact same! Also, I've read the 2021 STP forum and apparently they changed the format of the application form last year? From what I can gather the 4 questions were replaced with 3 reflective statements that were based around the core person specification (Scientific Skills, Transferrable Skills, and Physical Requirements). I wanted to prepare my statements in advance but I don't know for certain what the application questions will be now. There's also only a 4 day window to complete the SJT within... Argh!!
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(Original post by zbrah100)
I got onto the STP with my undergrad degree so having a PhD definitely isn't a necessity but honestly make sure it's for you and what you want to do. Perhaps, a PhD would have you more mentally prepared.

I had false misconceptions about it and I'm now severely struggling with the program due to several reasons (knowing it won't lead me to where I want to be, location, people, poor mental health), although I try as much as I can.

Not saying it would be the case for everyone but just for me, anyway, it is. I personally don't feel I fit into the culture and type of people who do this. So it's a pretty lonely road for me.

So all i'm saying is if you want to spend your life being a clinical scientist and working up that ladder then go for it. Best to get some work experience too in your department to know what it really would be like. For some people, it might be just what they were looking to do and they might enjoy it.

Remember you could be posted to any location, and you will be there for three years besides doing a master's degree. You could liken it to medical training, wherein you're posted to any random part of UK and have to do different rotations of hospitals and training. It's not a small commitment especially if you're young so you're 20s would be used up quickly (i'm sure you'll be aware of this though).

Maybe if I read a post like this last year, it would have changed my mind and I wouldn't be in the dilemma i'm currently in, plus someone else could have had this place who really wanted it, so maybe this helps someone like me.
Hi, fellow STP here. Sorry to hear you're not enjoying it as expected! The scheme is definitely tough when keeping up with competencies, a masters degree and practical training. May I ask what specialism you do?

Just want to everyone to hear another opinion on this.
I feel very lucky to be on the STP and enjoy the practical training, but it is an intensive and challenging scheme.
Also, you do get to pick your location. I only selected 3 trusts that I was happy to work at and thankfully got my top choice! Many STP applicants pick all the trusts to increase their chance of getting a place, hence there is the possibility that they'll be placed all over the country - this is your choice when you apply.

For anyone posting on this forum, perhaps include the specialism you're applying for. I'm sure there are STPs watching these forums to help others with the application process or who would be happy to share what their day-to-day looks like
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Hi,

other than the SJT are there any other exams we need to do or is it just the application and interview?
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Hi,

other than the SJT are there any other exams we need to do or is it just the application and interview?
pretty sure its just the SJT - doesn't mention anything else on the website
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Is anyone else hoping to apply for critical care?
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pretty sure its just the SJT - doesn't mention anything else on the website
oh okay thank you!
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I am not blind, there is still no list right?
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I thought the exact same! Also, I've read the 2021 STP forum and apparently they changed the format of the application form last year? From what I can gather the 4 questions were replaced with 3 reflective statements that were based around the core person specification (Scientific Skills, Transferrable Skills, and Physical Requirements). I wanted to prepare my statements in advance but I don't know for certain what the application questions will be now. There's also only a 4 day window to complete the SJT within... Argh!!
Yeah, I read the thread from last year too they've changed the application a lot. I kind of liked the 4 questions from the old application cycle, some of the qs from last year were quite weird I heard. Especially the physical requirements one. I'm on the same boat as you! I don't think I can prepare my statements in advance as the questions might change again. Just make sure you have the person specification handy and brainstorm around that for now I guess? Let's hope the SJTs go well this year as last year they had technical issues and had to scrap them. Unnecessary stress.
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Yeah, I read the thread from last year too they've changed the application a lot. I kind of liked the 4 questions from the old application cycle, some of the qs from last year were quite weird I heard. Especially the physical requirements one. I'm on the same boat as you! I don't think I can prepare my statements in advance as the questions might change again. Just make sure you have the person specification handy and brainstorm around that for now I guess? Let's hope the SJTs go well this year as last year they had technical issues and had to scrap them. Unnecessary stress.
I'm sure someone mentioned how the transferrable skills and the physical requirements sections were both allocated the same 250 word count which is just crazy! But yes, this is the issue. It means that 2 weeks really isn't long at all to write half decent statements (not for me anyway). I heard the same as well about the SJT, really not good. The SJT is supposed to be somewhat easier than the previous test that they used to use which is something I suppose!
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I've just confirmed with NSHCS that the list of specialisms by location will be released next week when applications open.
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Is anyone else hoping to apply for critical care?
I am considering it
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I'm considering applying, but the whole application process is a little nerve-wracking.
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Have they released the locations of the vacancies yet? I can't seem to find this anywhere on the NSHCS website
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