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# Negatives of Oxbridge

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hobnob
I'm not quite sure whether I quite follow the logic of your argument there. Are you saying they were capable of getting 2.1s and firsts to begin with (because otherwise they wouldn't have got Oxford offers in the first place), yet they wouldn't have been equally capable of getting 2.1s and firsts if they had been taught under a different system?

OK il make it clearer for you

A couple factors about oxford itself which increase it's students chances of achieving 1sts/2.1s

Tutorial system
College system
Amazing resources/library/research material
High quality of teaching

These things are unique to oxbridge, thus increase it's students chances of reaching their potential

Obviously there are factors independent of oxbridge as well but i think you get my drift.
Supergrunch
I'd guess 100% might be theoretically possible in maths, engineering, and physics, maybe a couple of other things.

Yep. I can't speak for Oxford, but you can theoretically get 100% in the maths tripos. Practically speaking, it ain't gonna happen:
4 papers in which you answer as many questions as you can in 3 hours. ~40 questions on each paper. The people who come top of the Tripos usually get 10-12 done on each paper (on average). So yeah, while it is possible, 100% isn't going to happen!
yusufu
Yep. I can't speak for Oxford, but you can theoretically get 100% in the maths tripos. Practically speaking, it ain't gonna happen:
4 papers in which you answer as many questions as you can in 3 hours. ~40 questions on each paper. The people who come top of the Tripos usually get 10-12 done on each paper (on average). So yeah, while it is possible, 100% isn't going to happen!

What?! Seriously, how long does one actually take to do one question?
im so academic
What?! Seriously, how long does one actually take to do one question?

Do the maths.
hobnob
Do the maths.

Cambridge Tripos Paper, Part I, 2008

Question I) 1 + 1 = x. Find x

1 + 1 = 2

.
. . x = 2

(took me five seconds to answer Questions I)
im so academic
What?! Seriously, how long does one actually take to do one question?

A rate of half an hour per completed question would be good going and would probably get you a first.
im so academic
Cambridge Tripos Paper, Part I, 2008

Question I) 1 + 1 = x. Find x

1 + 1 = 2

.
. . x = 2

took me five seconds to answer Questions I)

foiled. It's Part IA (first year) or IB (second).
And the question numbers have letters after them to indicate which examiner marks that question.
And 5 seconds is a bit slow for that question.

im so academic
Cambridge Tripos Paper, Part I, 2008

Question I) 1 + 1 = x. Find x

1 + 1 = 2

.
. . x = 2

took me five seconds to answer Questions I)

huh?

edit: Academic, even in the Physics Olympiad second round they expect you to spend about 45 minutes on the first question only.
yusufu
foiled. It's Part IA (first year) or IB (second).
And the question numbers have letters after them to indicate which examiner marks that question.
And 5 seconds is a bit slow for that question.

slow? you just said that people complete 1 question in 30 minutes! I'm fast in comparison to them, so where is my first?
Mithra
huh?

edit: Academic, even in the Physics Olympiad second round they expect you to spend about 45 minutes on the first question only.

by heck! how hard are the questions for the average person to answer it in 45 bloody minutes?

what next? takes 3 days to answer one question in cambridge maths finals you must love maths to waste your time answering a question, when the examiner could just give you the answer which takes 2 seconds.
Tutorial system
College system
Amazing resources/library/research material
High quality of teaching

not sure what exactly makes the tutorial system so amazing. it's just another method of teaching. and high quality of teaching isn't necessarily the case -- it varies from tutor to tutor.
im so academic
by heck! how hard are the questions for the average person to answer it in 45 bloody minutes?

what next? takes 3 days to answer one question in cambridge maths finals you must love maths to waste your time answering a question, when the examiner could just give you the answer which takes 2 seconds.

That's a slightly bad example.

The second round of the physics olympiad is many multiple choice questions independant of each other.

The Oxford Maths degree you take 4 papers, each with 8 questions in and you get marked on your best 5, each out of 20 up to a potential maximum of 100, but our tutor said he's never seen a score above 95. Potentially, 100% is possible: in reality, probably not.
im so academic
what next? takes 3 days to answer one question in cambridge maths finals you must love maths to waste your time answering a question, when the examiner could just give you the answer which takes 2 seconds.

Erm, ever heard of the concept of proof? It gets pretty important, and means you generally can't just be given the answer - often, you're told the answer anyway.
Supergrunch
Erm, ever heard of the concept of proof? It gets pretty important, and means you generally can't just be given the answer - often, you're told the answer anyway.

Hmm, I suspect we may be wasting our collective breaths here...
basically, to sum everyone's post up is that, there are more pros than cons at oxbridge, however the main one we can all agree is that:

im so academic
basically, to sum everyone's post up is that, there are more pros than cons at oxbridge, however the main one we can all agree is that:

Er, no, to be quite frank I wouldn't care less if I was rejected.
im so academic
basically, to sum everyone's post up is that, there are more pros than cons at oxbridge, however the main one we can all agree is that:

That's certainly not the conclusion I'd have drawn from this thread, but whatever makes you happy...
necessarily benevolent
Er, no, to be quite frank I wouldn't care less if I was rejected.

Same, as long as I get into Durham, Cambridge or Imperial I will be ecstatic . Edinburgh or Warwick would just make me very happy
I agree with you guys, Necessarily Benevolent and Mithra. For a while now, I have been of the position that getting an interview would be fantastic, a place merely a bonus on top.
necessarily benevolent
Er, no, to be quite frank I wouldn't care less if I was rejected.

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