The problem is that petitions which will most probably have no effect whatsoever feel more like things people do in order to convince themselves that they're fighting for a cause than things people do to fight for a cause. If this was an action raising funds for Iranian women who are asylum seekers or for an organization which works with victims of abuse in Iran things would be different, but just writing names on a piece of paper, how is that doing anything except make us feel better about not taking real action against injustice?
That's a fair point. I still think we should do whatever little we can to make a difference, and also, a lot of us in the group are involved in more 'productive' action. A lot of it is about raising awareness of the fact that stoning still exists, and also the petition is a international campaign - it's not just a bunch of idealistic Glasgow students - Amnesty members all over the world are taking action like this.
Also I wouldn't say that writing petitions necessarily is a useless thing to do. It's a sign of the international community's opposition to stoning and could make a difference as stoning is up for review anyway - if large numbers of people sign it, then governments and the UN may well increase pressure on Iran.
I know I'm an idealist, and maybe it's naive, but I'd much rather do something than nothing, and it isn't to assuage my conscience. I'm not going to say 'right, I stood outside for an hour getting people to sign a petition, I don't have to do anything else about this'. I'm going to do as much as I can.
What was the drama with that anyway? I saw posters protesting against him yesterday.
I think he was caught sending e-mails saying that he agreed with the rise in tuition fees, when he's meant to be speaking on behalf of students who disagree with them. He was saying things like 'I wish I could talk people around to agree with them' or something.
And while I get your point G8D, not signing a petition and doing nothing is ridiculous if you actually care about the issue.
But what if people genuinely don't?
I know that sounds harsh, but I don't think EVERYONE can be expected to want to sign it, just because what is happening is awful. That doesn't make them bad people, everyone's just got their own problems and are busy going about their business.
Like Aurora said, being on both sides of the hill and yelling at people isn't the way to go about it. By all means raise awareness of the issue, but don't shove it down people's throats if they're not willing to sign it, because they'll be even less willing when faced with that confrontation.
It's like the people on Buchanan Street who work for Shelter and try to stop you. One guy actually FOLLOWED me for about two minutes. That's actually harassment, and even though the people yesterday weren't as bad as that, I think being on both sides of the hill and yelling must have put people off.
I am actually interested in humanitarian work and have signed things in the past, but not everyone is, so I think maybe a more subtle approach is best ... I don't know People are put off by an in-your-face approach (which I know is just your enthusiasm, which I admire, but it would have been very irritating for others).
Tutor: So what did you all think of Paradise Lost? Class: ... Tutor: What did you think of it in a historical context? Class: Tutor: Has anyone actually read it? Class: Tutor: I think you should all just go.
I'd heard that'd happened, lucky! I'm doing English Lit 2A as well but (kind of) fortunately was ill on the day of my tutorial so missed it. I can't imagine there was much said since no one seems to have read the book, including me! May as well move onto Redgauntlet
I'd heard that'd happened, lucky! I'm doing English Lit 2A as well but (kind of) fortunately was ill on the day of my tutorial so missed it. I can't imagine there was much said since no one seems to have read the book, including me! May as well move onto Redgauntlet
Our tutorial next week is also on Paradise Lost
I actually want to do it for the exam, so I wish I'd made the time to read it
Someone's behind me in the library munching on crisps. Bet he's the reason the first computer keyboard I went to was covered in grease :|
The keyboards in the library are actually disgusting, I'm in no way a clean freak but every now and again I'll look down while procrastinating and be like...oh dear god.
I think he was caught sending e-mails saying that he agreed with the rise in tuition fees, when he's meant to be speaking on behalf of students who disagree with them. He was saying things like 'I wish I could talk people around to agree with them' or something.
Haha There was a poster of him outside the Fraser Building that said "If you're having fee problems I feel bad for you son"
That's quite good!
Here, I'm sitting typing up cover letters and your appearance reminds me I meant to tell you that HMV (both of them) and JD Sports are advertising Christmas temp positions in the City Centre if you're still looking. I'll be your competition
Here, I'm sitting typing up cover letters and your appearance reminds me I meant to tell you that HMV (both of them) and JD Sports are advertising Christmas temp positions in the City Centre if you're still looking. I'll be your competition
If you get the job ahead of me you owe me your store discount
Think nothing of it I pass through Argyle St. and Buchanan St. most days, so if I see any more I will give you a shout. Try Next as well, apparently they're hiring online.
If you get the job ahead of me you owe me your store discount
Think nothing of it I pass through Argyle St. and Buchanan St. most days, so if I see any more I will give you a shout. Try Next as well, apparently they're hiring online.
Like Aurora said, being on both sides of the hill and yelling at people isn't the way to go about it. By all means raise awareness of the issue, but don't shove it down people's throats if they're not willing to sign it, because they'll be even less willing when faced with that confrontation.
It's like the people on Buchanan Street who work for Shelter and try to stop you. One guy actually FOLLOWED me for about two minutes. That's actually harassment, and even though the people yesterday weren't as bad as that, I think being on both sides of the hill and yelling must have put people off.
I am actually interested in humanitarian work and have signed things in the past, but not everyone is, so I think maybe a more subtle approach is best ... I don't know People are put off by an in-your-face approach (which I know is just your enthusiasm, which I admire, but it would have been very irritating for others).
Exactly - it was a guilt trip, which I really don't appreciate. If somebody comes up to me with a petition, then unless I'm genuinely in a hurry (and people will be in that situation if you're going to stand between the university library and every lecture location on campus) I will stop and ask what it's about. But I'm just intimidated and annoyed by people standing yelling stuff about me not caring.
(Btw you can report the Shelter guy - I looked up the rules last time this happened to me and they're only allowed to take three steps towards you & three steps alongside you or something like that.)
Exactly - it was a guilt trip, which I really don't appreciate. If somebody comes up to me with a petition, then unless I'm genuinely in a hurry (and people will be in that situation if you're going to stand between the university library and every lecture location on campus) I will stop and ask what it's about. But I'm just intimidated and annoyed by people standing yelling stuff about me not caring.
(Btw you can report the Shelter guy - I looked up the rules last time this happened to me and they're only allowed to take three steps towards you & three steps alongside you or something like that.)
Yeah one guy stopped me a few weeks ago and I was like "I'm going to a tutorial " and he backed off.
Hmm I wish I could but that was months ago - it's ridiculous how you need to walk in a zig-zag down Buchanan Street to avoid these people I'm like, good for you for working for charity, but please don't try to talk to me about it when I'm quite clearly laden with shopping and in a hurry.
Yeah one guy stopped me a few weeks ago and I was like "I'm going to a tutorial " and he backed off.
Hmm I wish I could but that was months ago - it's ridiculous how you need to walk in a zig-zag down Buchanan Street to avoid these people I'm like, good for you for working for charity, but please don't try to talk to me about it when I'm quite clearly laden with shopping and in a hurry.
Basically the charities pay companies like these a fair chunk to employ street fundraisers to do their bidding. I don't have the guts for this but when my flatmate found out he now stops, listens their spiel, then just when they're about to give you a high five he asks if they get paid... apparently their reactions are priceless!