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Original post by andyyy
Personally, I'm 90% sure devo-max will be approved and full blown independence won't. But since devo-max will prove that Scotland is perfectly capable of handling its finances on its own, complete independence will follow in a few years. I think the main reason why Cameron's so terrified about the referendum is devo-max, not independence and that's why he's talking all the nonsense about a single question referendum (which wouldn't include questions on devo-max).

I was in a rush earlier so my earlier post had to be as to the point as possible...

I'd venture that Cameron isn't terrified by the prospect of a referendum. At most I would say he is mildly irritated by it. It will offend his unionist tendencies, but it's a win-win: a 'no' vote is the triumph of unionism, hurrah, a 'yes' vote sees 40/50 Labour constituencies disappear...

Devo-max is fiscal independence without monetary independence- how has that panned out in the Eurozone?
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Original post by Celtic_Anthony
I was in a rush earlier so my earlier post had to be as to the point as possible...

I'd venture that Cameron isn't terrified by the prospect of a referendum. At most I would say he is mildly irritated by it. It will offend his unionist tendencies, but it's a win-win: a 'no' vote is the triumph of unionism, hurrah, a 'yes' vote sees 40/50 Labour constituencies disappear...


Those 40/50 seats form an unimpressive 3% of the Parliament and when they go they'll take with them virtually all of Britain's oil reserves.

Devo-max is fiscal independence without monetary independence- how has that panned out in the Eurozone?


It's certainly a better that no fiscal independence at all which automatically implies no possibility of ever gaining monetary independence, isn't it?
Oh dear, what have I started? :awesome:
Original post by andyyy
Those 40/50 seats form an unimpressive 3% of the Parliament and when they go they'll take with them virtually all of Britain's oil reserves.



It's certainly a better that no fiscal independence at all which automatically implies no possibility of ever gaining monetary independence, isn't it?

The seats could swing an election, probably will.

And no, the idea that Scotland should separate from the UK is ridiculous.
Original post by G8D
Cool. I was considering Toronto as well but I can't seem to work out what law courses are available to me...

I'd be doing just a semester as there's some good/essential for advocacy courses in 1st semester over here.


Have you tried the glasgow uni students abroad wordpress? I know the guy that's out there at the moment for law and he's one of the "ambassadors", seems to be loving it and he could give you pointers on courses.

My other friend's out in copenhagen at the moment and she seems to be finding it ok language-wise, we don't realise (or I didn't, certainly) how good continental Europeans are at speaking English! Plus Europe = erasmus grant (plus not having to justify ridiculous sums of money before you're even allowed to go...)
Original post by G8D
Could you link to the WordPress?

I was wanting to look at Copenhagen but the site was down when I did :frown:

Luckily showing financial commitment isn't an issue for me.

Language wise I know that everyone in my classes will speak good English as they courses are taught in English, fear is that as soon as they leave the class do they revert to native and would that possible pose issues for me socially...

Also most courses, understandably, appear to be geared towards EU /intl public law whereas I'm into private law :/


Sure, it's http://glasgowuniversityabroad1112.wordpress.com/ (edit if you saw it within the first 2 minutes - wrong initial link)

I can't remember all she's taking at Copenhagen, know there was some sort of conflict resolution thing which sounds immensely interesting!

My experiences in France are quite different as my classes are in French, but quite a lot of times we find that the "common Erasmus language" is English / are with French people that really want to practise their English. Which is a bit annoying if you want to practise French but good for the likes of you not speaking Norwegian / Danish; I think that the effect would be amplified there as people come there knowing there will be a lot of anglophones. People *can* separate into country groups, but most of the time they want to mix = speaking a language not their own. And there's bound to be lots of English people there as well, so you'll at the very least get their culture :wink:
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Original post by sparklysparkles
My other friend's out in copenhagen at the moment and she seems to be finding it ok language-wise, we don't realise (or I didn't, certainly) how good continental Europeans are at speaking English! Plus Europe = erasmus grant (plus not having to justify ridiculous sums of money before you're even allowed to go...)


They speak better English than we do. Always been the case when I go somewhere in Europe (other than the UK obviously).

Our English Language student rep is Lithuanian, English is his third language and he says "All this grammar stuff is easy." We suck so much at languages.

Erasmus doesn't cover English Lit students, so I definitely can't do study abroad :nopity:
Anyone got any results yet?


bleurghh I wish I had applied for a year abroad or something else exciting. My life is just going to pass away and then I'm going to die.
Original post by G8D
You have until February for Erasmus applications.


My exam results are good but my references and absences are 'cause for concern' My Advisor seems fine with me and very happy with everything (he's given up on trying to improve the bad parts I think). I don't want to apply if I won't get it...also do I need money? I just paid off £1267 to the bank (tech still have £79 to give but that'll be gone by the end of the week) and so am completely skint.



I've never been to any information evenings nor do I know anything about anything. What will happen? I should just not bother. How are you?
Original post by G8D
You only need to show financial commitment for non-erasmus places, there's grants and stuff available for Erasmus.

You can always apply and pull out later if money is an issue. I'm ok, you?


I lack...general commitment. I'm fine. I feel good. I've not had a macdonalds since 2011.
dunno why I told you that, i've been dying to say it to someone.
Just got my offer today , so so happy. I cant wait :biggrin:
Original post by Irishguy2K10
Just got my offer today , so so happy. I cant wait :biggrin:


Congrats :smile:
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Original post by andyyy
Those 40/50 seats form an unimpressive 3% of the Parliament and when they go they'll take with them virtually all of Britain's oil reserves.



It's certainly a better that no fiscal independence at all which automatically implies no possibility of ever gaining monetary independence, isn't it?


more like 6-7.5%
and eliminate the 59 seats from scotland and the conservatives would have won 305 of the 591 seats available.
a majority government.

the question you've got to ask yourself if you are scottish and pro-unionist is if Scotland can't survive on it's own (ie, is being propped up currently by the rest of the UK), what benefit is there to keeping them and not just cutting them off?

Scotland is a net contributor to the union, not a drain, and that's why every major party bar the SNP wants the union to remain, if Scotland were to become independent they would benefit and the union suffer.
Not that I'm pro-independence seeing as I much prefer the freedom of movement in the UK that the union offers.
If I'd be able to claim for both a UK (or whatever the new country is called) and a Scottish passport though...
Original post by munn

the question you've got to ask yourself if you are scottish and pro-unionist is if Scotland can't survive on it's own (ie, is being propped up currently by the rest of the UK), what benefit is there to keeping them and not just cutting them off?

Because decisions like this should be rooted in principle and it's abhorrent to divide up a country on the basis that you will have more money if you draw the borders a certain way.

As much as I reject nationalism on the grounds that I am an individual without any sentimental attachment to a clump of earth and the only independence that matters is individual freedom, I also believe redistribution of wealth is a force for good.
Reply 4777
Ah, the independence argument.

I'm probably going to end up campaigning for the no vote in the referendum, as a member of the Labour Party. All the research I've done into it makes it seem like staying in the union is the best thing, though I'm aware that a lot of it comes from very biased sources. I'm also anti-nationalism in most forms so that ideology informs my views. I'm open to persuasion but I haven't heard any pro-independence arguments that go beyond 'FREEDOOOOOOOOOOOM' yet.
you cursed me, had one today.

well had two technically but they were in one sitting.
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Original post by Celtic_Anthony
Because decisions like this should be rooted in principle and it's abhorrent to divide up a country on the basis that you will have more money if you draw the borders a certain way.

As much as I reject nationalism on the grounds that I am an individual without any sentimental attachment to a clump of earth and the only independence that matters is individual freedom, I also believe redistribution of wealth is a force for good.


Agreed, however at the same time the decision isn't so much "if we become independent will we have more money" but "if we become independent will we all be ****ed economically"

i think if the scottish people felt they would be no worse off as an independent nation economically - not necessarily better off though - support would increase.

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