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0404343m
I disagree- if people needed them badly enough, then they could easily restrict the online access to e-journals and certain google links and the people that needed them would still use them. Right now, a high percentage don't use the library computers for anything more complex than iPlayer, 4OD or Facebook- infact, from my current perch on level nine I can see four computers. One is on youtube, one looks like hotmail, one is definitely facebook, and the other one might actually be an essay of some descrition- and this is during the summer when usually the only people that come here have stuff to be getting on with.

Well I disagree with that, I've been to the library a few times this summer purely for internet access after I've been to the gym or job hunting or something, i wouldn't do that during term-time (because i've got better things to be doing), but somebody that's moved into a flat nearby but doesn't yet have internet access in the summer is obviously going to go to the library for their facebook wants and needs.


They've bought the computers now, but the first step should be to restrict heavily what IP addresses they can visit. As someone who used the library every day around exam time for six weeks at a time for the last three years, I can say that desks were at a premium from 9.30 in the morning onwards- usually with the library itself being a third full but every desk having a notepad, one book and no one to be seen until they came back at 2pm for half an hour and then buggered off again. If people got into the habit of bringing their laptops and finding seats and then choosing to procrastinate- good luck to them, but I'd bet my salary that people wouldn't go to the hassle of using the library just to waste time. I'm basing this primarily on the fact that desk access is much, much easier in Oxford where there's nothing else to do except work in the library, and they certainly don't have a nice-air conditioned enviroment to sit around and while the hours between classes away- and pop down a couple of floors for food and a two hour break before another cursory glance at a journal article. Levels 2,3 & 4, fine- but it disadvantages the rest of us making the rest of the building anything other than a study space. Glasgow's library is a much nicer place to spend time than most of Oxford's dark and dusty 19th century rooms in the Bodleian, but they're in danger of making it too comfortable so that half of campus descends on it whether they have anything to do or not.


I can understand where you're coming from, though I don't see blocking websites as a solution. In an 8 hour study spell of course I'm going to want to take a break and chat to friends on facebook and whatnot, in fact during study time fb chat helped me study too as it gave me the opportunity to ask friends studying elsewhere about questions I wasn't sure of. Obviously not everybody works the same way I do and I don't disagree there are plenty of people on computers purely procrastinating, but I really don't think even the most arseholish of students (and let's be honest, there's a lot of them in glasgow) would go into the library during exam time and commandeer a computer purely for social needs.

I do think if a computer is left unattended for an hour then it should automatically log off (i'd say that's long enough for a lunch break), maybe less on level 3
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munn
I do think if a computer is left unattended for an hour then it should automatically log off (i'd say that's long enough for a lunch break), maybe less on level 3


I think Strath's library tried something similar, but due to student outrage had to backdown. I may be wrong though.

I do think there should be something like that implemented though. I would whole-heartedly agree with them. There are obviously problems with it, but it's a step in the right direction.
TheOneWho
I think Strath's library tried something similar, but due to student outrage had to backdown. I may be wrong though.

I do think there should be something like that implemented though. I would whole-heartedly agree with them. There are obviously problems with it, but it's a step in the right direction.


Of course there's going to be student outrage, but sometimes students aren't right. If you polled 100 students on if they wanted unlimited time on computers, access to facebook, 4OD, youtube etc etc, more computers, more space to hang out and perhaps some nice fluffy beanbags to sit and the restriction on noise in the library lifted, then I think that motion would probably pass- because I don't think a lot of undergraduate students know whats best for them, but they're always in the minority and unable to effect change when it hits final exams and bites them on the backside when they actually need to work hard for the first time in their lives. Again, as a point of reference, Oxford blocked all P2P software, restricted access in the library and said to folk they can do what they like on their own computers, but the ones here are for work. And people responded by only using the library to do work- and it's not as if anyone's criticising Oxford. Hell, if it wasn't summer and I hadn't been in the libary all day even I would think twice of being on TSR if I could be out of the library earlier and free up space for someone else- even if it is on my laptop.

Depending on which source you read, between 90 and 99 percent of students bring laptops with them to university these days, and insurance for a year costs the same as a couple of nights out, or one pint less per night throughout the 26 weeks of term. The university can make you buy books which run to hundreds of pounds- I'm sure they could offer a cheap laptop through their partnership with Dell if they wanted to make it essential you owned one. The MBA students get one for free! The absolute most I'd concede is that certain levels on the library can be used for this sort of stuff- but it's now going on right throughout the building, and will only get worse as the lines get pushed further and further back. It's not like we have it all that hard, saying that it's 'outrageous' that we can only have an hour at a time to sit on Facebook in a bloody study space is a piece of nonsense- I get the distinct impression most of us don't know how good we have it- 15 years ago even being able to word process your essays was fairly novel, now we think the university would be wrong to cut our access to last night's telly when we're in the library.

It's all about the lowest common denominator- and right now it seems that because there's more people who want a social space and less that want a study space, that's what we'll end up with. If they wanted the beanbags and chattiness but extreme lack of books that Caledonian's 'library' has, then they should have applied to Caley. I've been in classes and had to co-operate with too many work-shy students in my life who think they have a right to get a 2:1 for me to put up quietly with those who think that study should be all about how convenient it happens to be for them.

/rant.
0404343m
Of course there's going to be student outrage, but sometimes students aren't right.

It's all about the lowest common denominator- and right now it seems that because there's more people who want a social space and less that want a study space, that's what we'll end up with. If they wanted the beanbags and chattiness but extreme lack of books that Caledonian's 'library' has, then they should have applied to Caley. I've been in classes and had to co-operate with too many work-shy students in my life who think they have a right to get a 2:1 for me to put up quietly with those who think that study should be all about how convenient it happens to be for them.


Only sometimes? I think Strath should have stuck to their guns, but it was up to them. It was only a few months ago that our library stopped you from borrowing if you had an overdue book. It was a long time coming! I remember people asking for that when I started. Same with not being able to take out 24 hour loans over and over again, which has been changed recently. And they did put a limit (5 hours?) on being logged in. So they're not all bad...

It might go in cycles. A couple of years ago we wanted more computers and they responded, now it's more social areas (why, I don't understand, but whatever) and next year it might be more desks/laptop space. The problem for them will be to try to balance all of these.
Reply 1404
foxo
I don't think much of the new website design at all. That static picture on the right of the screen is ******* annoying.

Oh, and I forgot to say, I am officially back in for second year politics. :h:

http://xkcd.com/773/

0404343m
Everyone brings a laptop to university

Not me, I don't own one...
As Munn said, put a time limit on PCs of an hour without movement. 45 mins is well enough of a lunch break if you are studying all day.

This doesn't solve the lack of deskspace/booths/laptop space which is what I use. IMO the amount of PCs should definitely be reduced.
Reply 1406
Does anyone know how can I arrange the whole "we'll wait for you at the airport" thing (I'm pretty sure they offer this service) or at least
find some more info about it, cause it sounds fun :smile:.

Should I write the uni or something or will they ask me about it in the upcoming weeks?

I can't find this info on the new site (not sure if I could in the old one too, but whatever...).
Positive
Does anyone know how can I arrange the whole "we'll wait for you at the airport" thing (I'm pretty sure they offer this service) or at least
find some more info about it, cause it sounds fun :smile:.

Should I write the uni or something or will they ask me about it in the upcoming weeks?

I can't find this info on the new site (not sure if I could in the old one too, but whatever...).


I do not see the point in providing such a service.

Just take a bus or taxi and the subway within City Centre and West End. You could also print your rout (Google Maps) from a subway station to your room. By the way, you can walk around Glasgow using Street View. Just to get familiar with streets and places.
Reply 1408
NoCommentMan
I do not see the point in providing such a service.

Just take a bus or taxi and the subway within City Centre and West End. You could also print your rout (Google Maps) from a subway station to your room. By the way, you can walk around Glasgow using Street View. Just to get familiar with streets and places.


I've already seen a lot via Street View/maps, it doesn't have anything to do with me not knowing how to get to Murano, It's just going to be easier if someone comes to pick me up with a car than me going on buses/subway, and cheaper than if I take a cab. Since I'm on a tight budget, at least for the first 2 months, anything I can save from, that won't hurt me in any way, is good news.

About the new website. It looks - well- newer. But other than that the content is still the same. I'm going to be joining post-grad in September and most of the content is still eons old. Made it quite pointless reading through the site frankly.
You can check out the orientation thing where I think there is a free bus service from the airport to the Uni starting on the 3rd.
(Hi, this is me just randomly jumping into the conversation, hope you don't mind)

Personally, I'm quite bothered by how people leave their stuff at the computers and stay away for hours (or at least a very long time), but it's slightly hypocritical of me because I did do that sometimes during the second term. *hides* But that was mostly because I'd be at the library all day and I'd need to run to Marks and Spencers and get food or something like that. The computer thing is really a problem and I think they'd fix the majority of it by making it possible for people to print things from their laptops. It bothers me to no end when you run to the library to print off an essay and you search for ages trying to find a computer to print it off on but they're all taken. Or at least that's what I experienced as the main problem.

By the way, does anyone know when the enrolment dates for History should be up? Most of my subjects I'm taking in September already put them up but it seems as though History's taking its time... (and I need to book my flight back!)
Positive
Does anyone know how can I arrange the whole "we'll wait for you at the airport" thing (I'm pretty sure they offer this service) or at least
find some more info about it, cause it sounds fun :smile:.

Should I write the uni or something or will they ask me about it in the upcoming weeks?

I can't find this info on the new site (not sure if I could in the old one too, but whatever...).


Information can be found here.
0404343m
See my other post. I'd take the job if I were you. Basically, there's 130 people going for 60 helpers positions, so a lot of people might find themselves not getting in just because they have to pick somebody and have a pile of very similar applications. None of us should bank on getting in- Tommy and Tuula have a tough one on their hands this year- last year we only had enough to cover all the places with about five spares.



I'm only seeing this now - I wish I'd taken the job!

There are a few shockers in who they've chosen! Quite a few confused/angry people too. I really don't know what the SRC are thinking - taking people with rubbish applications just because they're friends, taking people who've never done it before who can't even be there for prep week, accepting people who've not even sent in an application form and so on.

Looks like the SRC isn't so squeaky clean after all.
^That's shocking if it's a "jobs for the boys" situation that's going on. SRC don't have an authority above them either, it's just a body elected by us?


I'm woefully ignorant of student bodies and politics, so if I'm your average student and the SRC are only accountable to us I doubt the people doing the hiring will face any sort of backlash.
Stace-is-Ace
Looks like the SRC isn't so squeaky clean after all.


Has anyone ever been under the impression that they were? Or am I just far too cynical?

The thing is that most students don't take any interest in the SRC, or any student elections.
FyreFight
the average SRC election turnout is ~5% lol


Exactly. I think this year's was the 'best' turnout and all major positions were contested. Too many go uncontested and even unwanted by anyone.
Frankly, if you don't like it- you're free to complain to the Senate, write into the Guardian or contest elections. Most people whine about it, but very few people actually do anything about it. I've been involved with the SRC- albeit from arm's length- for longer than most of Glasgow University have been at the university, and from the time of Shona and co who have, along with their successors, long since left the place. It's not perfect, I think I'd be lying if I said it was- but I've seen other student-run enterprises, and compared to most it ain't half bad. The complaints usually come in when people don't get the response they think they should over a job or a dispute or whatever. At the end of the day however, the people here are elected by us, and it's no one's problem but yourself if you don't bother to vote or contest the elections, and say nothing for 51 weeks of the year then cry foul when something doesn't go your way. Tuula and Tommy polled a around a thousand votes each, which as a proportion of the student body isn't massive- but is comparable to most student elected bodies at other universities- go check OUSU's turnout if you must. The one thing it is not is 'jobs for the boys'- they're accountable to the Senate ultimately, and I can unequivocally say if they were found to be unfairly discriminating against someone, action would be taken swiftly.

I don't know of anyone that hasn't applied that's been let in- I might be wrong. There probably will be those who won't be the best- but if someone is a 'shocker' or their application is awful but they still got in- that's life, and that's very much a matter of opinion, and Tuula's may be different, but she's only got a bit of paper to go on and she's elected and paid to make these decisions, not any of the rest of us. There is no hard and fast rule on what a 'good' application is- it's down to the personal choice of the VP L&D, in much the same way that you getting a job with a company over another candidate is down to the choice of one person or a small committee who have the right to choose as they see fit, friends or otherwise, as long as they follow the regulations as set out. There are some exceptions for FW in terms of rules: People on council and in some cases previous council members have the right to be allowed on if they apply- it's something that I disagree with but the exec's hands are tied on that one as far as I know. To be quite honest, if I didn't know certain people from Adam, and given their absence records, genuine or otherwise, it'd make me think twice about whether to take them on again if the decision was up to me. Sometimes, they fancy a change and decide that people they've had in previous years, from what they've seen of them, didn't pull their weight in the way others did, and decide to reject their application- they're entitled to do this on the opinion they've formed. This is a transparent process, and if you feel like complaining, Bob Hay is your first contact, then probably David Newall on the Senate is the second.

The one thing I will not have is, following a rejection, the sudeen attitude that it's all a fix, it's a pick your pals policy, and they're all corrupt. If you'd received a different response, and someone you didn't know had been on the end of a rejection, I very much doubt you'd currently be championing their case for how unfair the SRC are.
You disagree then? :lol:

Ach, seems fair enough if there's a disputes process and a body that can hold them to account. First port of call should maybe be to the SRC to ask why you got knocked back?

Seems shady, but I can see both sides: SRC are faced with hiring 60 folk. When the amount is so large, some dafties are going to slip through the net at the expense of a good applicant. There could also appear that there's enough jobs to allow them to allocate one or two to mates, who knows. FWIW, I got my last job through "jobs for the boys" and my current one through a "cattle call" (50 people hired out of the hundreds that apply and attend open days), so I've both experienced preferential treatment and seen good applicants get knocked back, lost in amongst the hundreds of others.

I don't know, I didn't apply to be a freshers helper (having spent my employed life trying to avoid work, taking the title "helper" would be taking the piss) and don't know much about the SRC, but thought I would chip in my tuppence-worth (and place myself back on the fence :lol: )
Reply 1419
i seriously have never cared and never will about the SRC
in fact, i don't know anyone that does :dontknow:

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