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I want to be a teacher and teach biology or chemistry but I’m seriously put off by their working conditions and salary. I always loved loved teaching but I never gave it a serious thought until now. My teachers always used to complain about how they’re literally poor and overworked and tell me to never become a teacher. I do have a lot of responsibilities with my ageing parents who I want to support when I’m older. I want to help my mum retire early since she has a lot of medical issues. So I was wondering if anyone could give me a realistic number on the salary of a secondary pgce teacher? And also how your salary progresses. Is it hard to gain higher positions as a teacher. I saw at my school that connections with other teachers played a key role in who was promoted - is that true? I’ve heard some stories about people earning large amounts because they teach in private schools or something. I hope to teach ks4 biology after a biomedical science degree. How competitive is the job market in terms of just trying to get a job?

My Stats: A*AA in Alevel Bio Chem & Maths (but I’m not sure how this will fare in a time of grade inflation)
Degree: either biomedical science from university of keele or UCL (still unsure)
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Teaching Salaries are set nationally and really easy to find: https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/pay...ay-scales.html

Whilst on the PGCE you are training, but once you have QTS, you will progress through the pay scale as above. Every so often, there will also be a small "cost of living" pay increase. There are some paid routes into teaching, though.

Private schools are very variable in terms of pay. Some pay more, some pay less as they pro-rata the standard salary for their shorter term dates.

Gaining promotion depends a lot on your school, and how often people move on etc. In general, though, if you really want to progress your career and are willing to regularly move schools, it's possible to progress pretty quickly. Long term, getting overpromoted early career may not be the best thing, though.

You would not be able to teach just KS4 biology in most schools- this would just not make up a full time teaching load. In most schools you will have to teach some KS3 science across all sciences, and then at KS4 you will teach mainly your specialism, with some teaching of chemistry and physics. In some schools, you will be expected to be confident teaching across the sciences at KS4. You only really get to specialise now at A-level.

In terms of getting a secure science job, it's relatively easy due to the shortage of science teachers. Your qualifications *may* help you secure an interview, but you won't get a job unless you teach well at interview (or the school is really, really desperate). Biology specialists are the most common science teachers though. From my PGCE science cohort, everyone who wanted a teaching job got one, but not all the biologists got their first choice of school.

If you want to help out your parents, your best option would be to either, stay at home whilst eary career, or move to somewhere in the UK with a very low cost of living.
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Teaching Salaries are set nationally and really easy to find: https://www.nasuwt.org.uk/advice/pay...ay-scales.html

Whilst on the PGCE you are training, but once you have QTS, you will progress through the pay scale as above. Every so often, there will also be a small "cost of living" pay increase. There are some paid routes into teaching, though.

Private schools are very variable in terms of pay. Some pay more, some pay less as they pro-rata the standard salary for their shorter term dates.

Gaining promotion depends a lot on your school, and how often people move on etc. In general, though, if you really want to progress your career and are willing to regularly move schools, it's possible to progress pretty quickly. Long term, getting overpromoted early career may not be the best thing, though.

You would not be able to teach just KS4 biology in most schools- this would just not make up a full time teaching load. In most schools you will have to teach some KS3 science across all sciences, and then at KS4 you will teach mainly your specialism, with some teaching of chemistry and physics. In some schools, you will be expected to be confident teaching across the sciences at KS4. You only really get to specialise now at A-level.

In terms of getting a secure science job, it's relatively easy due to the shortage of science teachers. Your qualifications *may* help you secure an interview, but you won't get a job unless you teach well at interview (or the school is really, really desperate). Biology specialists are the most common science teachers though. From my PGCE science cohort, everyone who wanted a teaching job got one, but not all the biologists got their first choice of school.

If you want to help out your parents, your best option would be to either, stay at home whilst eary career, or move to somewhere in the UK with a very low cost of living.
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I want to be a teacher and teach biology or chemistry but I’m seriously put off by their working conditions and salary. I always loved loved teaching but I never gave it a serious thought until now. My teachers always used to complain about how they’re literally poor and overworked and tell me to never become a teacher. I do have a lot of responsibilities with my ageing parents who I want to support when I’m older. I want to help my mum retire early since she has a lot of medical issues. So I was wondering if anyone could give me a realistic number on the salary of a secondary pgce teacher? And also how your salary progresses. Is it hard to gain higher positions as a teacher. I saw at my school that connections with other teachers played a key role in who was promoted - is that true? I’ve heard some stories about people earning large amounts because they teach in private schools or something. I hope to teach ks4 biology after a biomedical science degree. How competitive is the job market in terms of just trying to get a job?

My Stats: A*AA in Alevel Bio Chem & Maths (but I’m not sure how this will fare in a time of grade inflation)
Degree: either biomedical science from university of keele or UCL (still unsure)
Teaching is rewarding - it's not all about money. I would not teach in a Private school - lots are going bankrupt and some are very demanding in terms of time commitment at weekends. If you have an issue with a student you may not get support because the parents are 'customers'.

I am on the Leadership scale so I think that's fair pay for what I do. Promotion is on merit from what I've seen in schools where I've taught and those I know of.

As has been said, you can't just teach GCSE Biology on a full-time timetable.
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Teaching is rewarding - it's not all about money. I would not teach in a Private school - lots are going bankrupt and some are very demanding in terms of time commitment at weekends. If you have an issue with a student you may not get support because the parents are 'customers'.

I am on the Leadership scale so I think that's fair pay for what I do. Promotion is on merit from what I've seen in schools where I've taught and those I know of.

As has been said, you can't just teach GCSE Biology on a full-time timetable.
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Hi scienceyyyyy,

Some great advice and great comments already given here. For me as an experienced teacher, teaching is so much more than the pay. Sometimes you truly can make an amazing difference in a child's life and I could never put an amount on this. It won't happen every day or even every year but when it does its so rewarding!

Starting salaries in a primary or secondary school will be between £25,714 and £32,157 depending on where you teach. As you progress in your teaching career, it’s possible to move up through different pay scales, Do check this link out to see the scales and find out some more details: https://getintoteaching.education.go...s-and-benefits.
Hope this helps
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I want to be a teacher and teach biology or chemistry but I’m seriously put off by their working conditions and salary. I always loved loved teaching but I never gave it a serious thought until now. My teachers always used to complain about how they’re literally poor and overworked and tell me to never become a teacher. I do have a lot of responsibilities with my ageing parents who I want to support when I’m older. I want to help my mum retire early since she has a lot of medical issues. So I was wondering if anyone could give me a realistic number on the salary of a secondary pgce teacher? And also how your salary progresses. Is it hard to gain higher positions as a teacher. I saw at my school that connections with other teachers played a key role in who was promoted - is that true? I’ve heard some stories about people earning large amounts because they teach in private schools or something. I hope to teach ks4 biology after a biomedical science degree. How competitive is the job market in terms of just trying to get a job?

My Stats: A*AA in Alevel Bio Chem & Maths (but I’m not sure how this will fare in a time of grade inflation)
Degree: either biomedical science from university of keele or UCL (still unsure)
You need to ask yourself, are you motivated by making money, or are you motivated by making a genuine difference to people's lives and working in a social, team oriented, accountable environment.

If you are motivated by money then by all means, good luck in the "real" world. Teaching will still be around later in life if you become disillusioned by the general pointlessness of the commercial world.

However, if you are motivated by doing something you love, then go for teaching. Contrary to popular opinion, I think teachers are pretty well paid. You don't have to work in the centre of London. There are opportunities around the world and where as the work load is indeed high in the first instance, it does reduce as you become more experienced. The pay also applies to a workload that sees you only work 39 weeks a year! Some will have you believe we spend our holidays working like smoke, but I certainly don't.

Good luck!
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Hi scienceyyyyy,

Some great advice and great comments already given here. For me as an experienced teacher, teaching is so much more than the pay. Sometimes you truly can make an amazing difference in a child's life and I could never put an amount on this. It won't happen every day or even every year but when it does its so rewarding!

Starting salaries in a primary or secondary school will be between £25,714 and £32,157 depending on where you teach. As you progress in your teaching career, it’s possible to move up through different pay scales, Do check this link out to see the scales and find out some more details: https://getintoteaching.education.go...s-and-benefits.
Hope this helps
Olivia
Completely agree with Olivia here
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