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Hi y’all,

I’m stuck between biomedicine & pharmacy.

I like how in pharmacy it’s a healthcare field & biomedicine for studying cures to diseases.

Can pharmacist work as a biomedical scientist like curing diseases?
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I think you need to consider for yourself what “curing diseases mean”.

Pharmacy is more associated with formulation sciences, much less actual drug discovery. Of course formulation could be the difference between a successful usable drug vs just a chemical, but it’s a different science.

If you’re into actually discovering the drug compounds themselves then something chemistry orientated would be better. i.e. biochem. Maybe look into sandwich courses that have placement in industry.

Getting a role in industry is highly competitive and not easy, going into higher academia and research is also not easy but is another form of “curing diseases”.

I just want to highlight that there’s many aspects in pharmaceuticals with lots of different specialities.
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Thank you very much. Could you work straight as a biomedical scientist once you’ve completed your degree?
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I think you need to consider for yourself what “curing diseases mean”.

Pharmacy is more associated with formulation sciences, much less actual drug discovery. Of course formulation could be the difference between a successful usable drug vs just a chemical, but it’s a different science.

If you’re into actually discovering the drug compounds themselves then something chemistry orientated would be better. i.e. biochem. Maybe look into sandwich courses that have placement in industry.

Getting a role in industry is highly competitive and not easy, going into higher academia and research is also not easy but is another form of “curing diseases”.

I just want to highlight that there’s many aspects in pharmaceuticals with lots of different specialities.
I don’t know to be honest. Like I would like a degree that combines pharmacy & biomedicine which then I could go into research & study on how to cure diseases
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Thank you very much. Could you work straight as a biomedical scientist once you’ve completed your degree?
You can only work as a biomedical scientist if you have an IBMS accredited biomedical science degree and are registered with the HCPC after completing a professional portfolio in an approved NHS pathology lab. Note that biomedical scientists do not study "cures for diseases" outside of academic research - strictly speaking those are also not biomedical scientists (which is a protected term) but biomedical researchers/bioscientists researching medical sciences. RegisteredBMS might be able to give you some more insight into what BMSs actually do.

If you want to work as a biomedical scientist (in the NHS especially), the best courses are those offered through the NHS Practitioner Training Programme (PTP) which are the Healthcare Sciences (Life Sciences) degrees. These are IBMS accredited and include integrated placements allowing you to complete the professional portfolio during the degree, and hence register with the HCPC as soon as you complete the course and immediately apply to Band 5 BMS posts in the NHS. You can read more about these (and the unis offering these degrees) here: https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/ptp/. Otherwise at minimum you need to do an IBMS accredited course and then try and get jobs or placements allowing you to complete the portfolio in the NHS during a sandwich year or after you graduate - this is not guaranteed though and they are very competitive in some regions I gather.

A pharmacy degree is designed to prepare you for a career as a dispensing pharmacist. If you don't want to do this there is little point in doing that 4-5 year course if you could do another degree related to your interests which is shorter. As noted above it also will not be a suitable background to become a biomedical scientist.
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I don’t know to be honest. Like I would like a degree that combines pharmacy & biomedicine which then I could go into research & study on how to cure diseases
Again, I think curing diseases is a bit too vast of an objective. What are you interested in? Chemistry; synthesising compounds? Biomed; clinical applications of science? Pharmacy; formulation and patient facing work?

These are all specialised roles, they all contribute to “curing diseases” and work together but no one person shoulders all the work.

I’m happy to answer questions on pharmacy, but I feel that you need to do more research on what specifically you want.
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Again, I think curing diseases is a bit too vast of an objective. What are you interested in? Chemistry; synthesising compounds? Biomed; clinical applications of science? Pharmacy; formulation and patient facing work?

These are all specialised roles, they all contribute to “curing diseases” and work together but no one person shoulders all the work.

I’m happy to answer questions on pharmacy, but I feel that you need to do more research on what specifically you want.
Do you think pharmacists be a bad career over the coming years? Since medications like antibiotics could be immune to our immune system. What other jobs can pharmacist do?
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Do you think pharmacists be a bad career over the coming years? Since medications like antibiotics could be immune to our immune system. What other jobs can pharmacist do?
Pharmacists are medicine experts, their role is to know what and how to apply drug knowledge in hospital and community pharmacies. Their roles are expanding now to slowly include prescribing and other clinical skills to help tackle the strain on GPs etc (e.g. vaccination etc), so I think the profession is evolving. Would not call it “bad”.

Four main avenues with the pharmacy degree;
1. Community pharmacy - majority of people end up on this route.
2. Hospital pharmacy
3. Industry (i.e. GSK, AZ etc) - highly competitive to get into R&D
4. Academia/Research

AMR is gonna affect healthcare overall, not pharmacists solely.
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Pharmacists are medicine experts, their role is to know what and how to apply drug knowledge in hospital and community pharmacies. Their roles are expanding now to slowly include prescribing and other clinical skills to help tackle the strain on GPs etc (e.g. vaccination etc), so I think the profession is evolving. Would not call it “bad”.

Four main avenues with the pharmacy degree;
1. Community pharmacy - majority of people end up on this route.
2. Hospital pharmacy
3. Industry (i.e. GSK, AZ etc) - highly competitive to get into R&D
4. Academia/Research

AMR is gonna affect healthcare overall, not pharmacists solely.
So, do you think studying for pharmacy is worth it?
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So, do you think studying for pharmacy is worth it?
Like I get really nervous since I saw a website that pharmacy is extremely difficult. So, it kind of worried me!
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Like I get really nervous since I saw a website that pharmacy is extremely difficult. So, it kind of worried me!
They’re all difficult. If you want to study pharmacy then do it. Biomed isn’t about curing diseases. You study all aspects of human based biology. For example in my first year alone I took: anatomy, physiology, cell biology, molecular biology, neuroscience and behaviour, microbiology, pharmaceutical science, and a couple of skills modules for papers and data analysis. So there isn’t much pharmaceutical science until later if your course has modules suited to that. I think you need to do more research on the courses and specific courses at unis you want to go to and can get in to.
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So, do you think studying for pharmacy is worth it?
I think there’s no point me telling you more about pharmacy at this point because I have no idea what “worth it” is to you.

Research the roles you’ve mentioned, maybe look at jobs that sound interesting and then what degree is required.
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[QUOTE=mispelt;95919676]I think there’s no point me telling you more about pharmacy at this point because I have no idea what “worth it” is to you.

Research the roles you’ve mentioned, maybe look at jobs that sound interesting and then what degree is required.[/QUOTE

I like both of the contents. But like does biomedicine guarantee you a job like pharmacy?
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