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Which place do you think I should pick as my main, University of Birmingham - master of science (MSci) or University of Bath - Master of Biomedical science? (Any other options to recommend)

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I have the requirements for both
I am interested in the clinical scientist (preferably Immunology) area in the NHS, but not sure if I can apply to it with undergrad master of science.
(I know you can with undergrad master of biomedical science)
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Which place do you think I should pick as my main, University of Birmingham - master of science (MSci) or University of Bath - Master of Biomedical science?
MSci is an integrated masters
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MSci is an integrated masters
Yeah, pretty sure both are lol
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Yeah, pretty sure both are lol
For Biomed you should not do an Msci. As Biomed is so broad the masters is similar, this means that a Biomed MSci is worth less than most other life science MScis. You’d be better off doing a BSc and then a masters in something more specialised, such as microbiology or cancer biology, or neuroscience etc.
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For Biomed you should not do an Msci. As Biomed is so broad the masters is similar, this means that a Biomed MSci is worth less than most other life science MScis. You’d be better off doing a BSc and then a masters in something more specialised, such as microbiology or cancer biology, or neuroscience etc.
Thank you for the advice, should I look for a place with IBMS/work placement opportunities? I heard it is quite hard to get into the NHS STP
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(Original post by LegendaryBruh)
Which place do you think I should pick as my main, University of Birmingham - master of science (MSci) or University of Bath - Master of Biomedical science? (Any other options to recommend)

Background info:
I have the requirements for both
I am interested in the clinical scientist (preferably Immunology) area in the NHS, but not sure if I can apply to it with undergrad master of science.
(I know you can with undergrad master of biomedical science)
Thanks
I think Bath is higher in the league table for biomed and is more research intensive but both are top unis
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I think Bath is higher in the league table for biomed and is more research intensive but both are top unis
Thank you for the reply, I am swaying to Bath more
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Thank you for the reply, I am swaying to Bath more
Nicer city too aha

I did Biomed then now an Msc in Neuroscience so any questions I’m here
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Nicer city too aha

I did Biomed then now an Msc in Neuroscience so any questions I’m here
Woah, congrats! After Biomed do you think I should do a proper masters degree? And if so what should I specify it to, I want to do immunology in the NHS
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Woah, congrats! After Biomed do you think I should do a proper masters degree? And if so what should I specify it to, I want to do immunology in the NHS
yeah Ofc! Masters will prepare you with a large amount of research skills, both academically and research so an Msc in Immunology will be available to prepare you for the industry
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Thank you for the reply, I am swaying to Bath more
is bath ibms accredited?
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is bath ibms accredited?
I haven't seen anything about it and I saw a list of IBMS accredited universities and bath wasn't on there. Do you want to become a biomedical scientist?
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I haven't seen anything about it and I saw a list of IBMS accredited universities and bath wasn't on there. Do you want to become a biomedical scientist?
Yes I do and then I wanted to become a clinical scientist.I as well heard getting into the STP programme was competitive so wanted to become a biomedical scientist first.
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Yes I do and then I wanted to become a clinical scientist.I as well heard getting into the STP programme was competitive so wanted to become a biomedical scientist first.
Then you 100% need to do an IBMS accredited degree, and be careful as it can take months for IBMS to actually say when a uni drops them, such as QMUL. I think generally it doesn’t matter what Uni you go to if it’s accredited for the degree as it has to meet a certain standard and modules to qualify, and generally RG unis are dropping IMBS to get their students ready for GEM instead.
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Yes I do and then I wanted to become a clinical scientist.I as well heard getting into the STP programme was competitive so wanted to become a biomedical scientist first.
As noted to become a BMS you need an IBMS accredited degree. You also need to register with the HCPC, which requires a professional portfolio to be completed in an approved NHS pathology lab. The best courses for becoming a BMS are the Healthcare Sciences (Life Sciences) courses run in conjunction with the NHS through the Practitioner Training Programme (PTP). These include integrated placements in NHS labs where you complete the portfolio and so on graduation you will have an IBMS accredited degree, be eligible to immediately register with the HCPC, and will have NHS experience which together allows you to apply directly to Band 5 BMS roles in the NHS. No other degree guarantees this.

For more information on the PTP and the unis offering the courses (you want the life sciences streams for BMS), see here: https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/ptp/

Note that I understand the work of clinical scientists and biomedical scientists is quite different - RegisteredBMS might be able to give more insight into that.
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Please don't aim to become a Biomedical Scientist on the sole premise of becoming a Clinical Scientist afterwards.

Whilst in some departments they may work closely together, they're completely different career ladders. We're struggling for Biomedical Scientists, and you're going to spend a lot of time and effort becoming one to then move on to becoming a Clinical Scientist, and fundamentally being a BMS isn't going to give you that much of an advantage.
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As noted to become a BMS you need an IBMS accredited degree. You also need to register with the HCPC, which requires a professional portfolio to be completed in an approved NHS pathology lab. The best courses for becoming a BMS are the Healthcare Sciences (Life Sciences) courses run in conjunction with the NHS through the Practitioner Training Programme (PTP). These include integrated placements in NHS labs where you complete the portfolio and so on graduation you will have an IBMS accredited degree, be eligible to immediately register with the HCPC, and will have NHS experience which together allows you to apply directly to Band 5 BMS roles in the NHS. No other degree guarantees this.
For more information on the PTP and the unis offering the courses (you want the life sciences streams for BMS), see here: https://nshcs.hee.nhs.uk/programmes/ptp/

Note that I understand the work of clinical scientists and biomedical scientists is quite different - RegisteredBMS might be able to give more insight into that.
Hi there,
So do you need an IBMS accredited degree to enter the STP? I want to do clinical immunology and don't want to head down the biomedical scientist route. So far I haven't seen the IBMS requirement for immunologists - I could be wrong.
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Hi there,
So do you need an IBMS accredited degree to enter the STP? I want to do clinical immunology and don't want to head down the biomedical scientist route. So far I haven't seen the IBMS requirement for immunologists - I could be wrong.
No it's not required for the STP as far as I know - but you said you wanted to work as a BMS first. To do so you would need the IBMS accredited degree.
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No it's not required for the STP as far as I know - but you said you wanted to work as a BMS first. To do so you would need the IBMS accredited degree.
Thank you very much for your response, it was the other person who said the thing about the BMS stuff. I'm just planning to do my degree, get work placements and apply to the STP
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Thank you very much for your response, it was the other person who said the thing about the BMS stuff. I'm just planning to do my degree, get work placements and apply to the STP
Ah I didn't realise I had initially responded to someone else. Note that I believe the NHS don't recruit above Band 2 unless you have prior NHS work experience so I'd recommend you aim to get some work experience in an NHS lab during your degree if you are planning to work in the NHS while applying to the STP after you graduate.
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