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I do like neuroscience a canny bit aswell, what do you think would be the best degree to stand out in medicine between neuroscience and psychology. When the uni look through people's degrees, like I would assume they would pick neuroscience over computer science, as neuroscience is clearly more in depth. Another question also, do you think it would increase or decrease my chance of graduate medicine entry if I go with the clinical psychology course instead of the psychology course
I'd say neurophysiology. I sat in with one for a day and I'd say it's like a mixture of neuroscience in a healthcare setting.

If the Uni did not specify life sciences courses or the course is not in their exclusion criteria (some uni's do not accept particular courses) then whatever you did likely doesn't matter at all, since they didn't feel the need to specifically say so (but maybe when it comes to studying the content, some may have more familiarity). There are plenty of arts and engineering graduates who are pursuing medicine.
It's more what you learnt from it, how well you performed academically (getting a 2:1 or 1st), amount of work experience you have with people in a care setting and scoring highly on the admissions tests like the UCAT/GAMSAT. Even if you tick all the minimum boxes, it's still very competitive.

Also, before you worry about any of this. Are you sure sure you can't do A levels? Ideally both chem and bio but at least even one would help?
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as has already been said, GEM is not an easy route. I'd look into foundation courses instead - I'm not sure what exactly you're currently studying but I believe some are aimed at people with good grades in arts subjects, and some at people with poorer grades in science subjects. Usually they guarantee entry onto medicine after (successful completion of) the foundation year, which is definitely preferable to 3 year degree + 4 year GEM (assuming you get straight in and don't have to do multiple application cycles like many people do!)
No, some university only accept sciences like neuroscience, therefore there are more options to cover
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I'd say neurophysiology. I sat in with one for a day and I'd say it's like a mixture of neuroscience in a healthcare setting.

If the Uni did not specify life sciences courses or the course is not in their exclusion criteria (some uni's do not accept particular courses) then whatever you did likely doesn't matter at all, since they didn't feel the need to specifically say so (but maybe when it comes to studying the content, some may have more familiarity). There are plenty of arts and engineering graduates who are pursuing medicine.
It's more what you learnt from it, how well you performed academically (getting a 2:1 or 1st), amount of work experience you have with people in a care setting and scoring highly on the admissions tests like the UCAT/GAMSAT. Even if you tick all the minimum boxes, it's still very competitive.

Also, before you worry about any of this. Are you sure sure you can't do A levels? Ideally both chem and bio but at least even one would help?
Sadly not, I had to do BTEC because I got a 4 in English language, was kinda stumped from then on
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Hi, I have just finished doing my undergrad in Biomedical Science which many people do to get into medicine. I originally did with the aims of going to medicine which is still a ambition of mine. But my advice to you if I was in your shoes is do a degree that is related to medicine but can get you a job. The reason I say this is that after completing a degree it doesn't make it any easier for you getting into medicine. Grad medicine is a lot more competitive than undergraduate but if anything if I could back in time I would either do a degree that I know I could get a job straight away for example like pharmacy, nursing, midwifery etc. But as I have limited knowledge regarding the job possibilities after psychology I would say do your research and just make sure you are ok with doing it as you may not get into medicine straight away. I wish you the best of luck on your journey and please do not stress about it, there are many options out there just think about it carefully.
Thank you for your advice and words of wisdom, means a lot, I will think carefully
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I think you are seriously underestimating the competitiveness of a clinical psychology doctorate. I know the doctoral courses say you need a minimum of a year's relevant work experience to be eligible to apply, but the truth is that the vast majority of candidates will have much more than that. There are also extra selection tests involved for many courses, similar to UCAT. The DClinPsy is statistically as competitive as medicine, but you're making it sound as if you don't get into GEM, you're certain to get on the DClinPsy. It always baffles me when students who didn't meet the A-level requirements talk this way, as though getting the high admissions scores needed for GEM or doing doctoral-level work in psychology is somehow going to be easier and more feasible than A-level resits. Have you researched both professions in depth? At the moment you seem to think a psychiatrist is a more highly trained version of a psychologist, so before you make further plans, I think you need to gain a more realistic understanding of what they both do day to day. Then you'll have a stronger sense of what to aim for.


To be honest, I sometimes wonder how many people who say this are actually really keen to do med, and how many are just entertaining a daydream that they wouldn't actually want in reality. In my daydreams I'd love to run a horse riding centre. In reality I know I wouldn't want that as my day job, which is why I'm not taking practical steps to achieve it. Retaking A-levels is the obvious thing to do if you really want to study medicine, whereas focusing on GEM is a way to keep it safely in daydream territory, with all the difficulties at
I am not saying psychiatry is above psychology or clinical psychology, I'm saying the experience from that psychology degree will most likely give me the most experience into aa medical field like psychiatry compared to a person who studies in emergency medicine for example, I may like psychiatry more because it links back to psychology
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No, some university only accept sciences like neuroscience, therefore there are more options to cover
This doesn't mean you are any more likely to get in
Your degree type has no weight on the shortlisting for interview if you meet their degree requirement of 2:1+ and bio/science discipline or 2:1 and no specific degree discipline

Your options will be far more limited based on your entrance exam scores than degree type
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I am not saying psychiatry is above psychology or clinical psychology, I'm saying the experience from that psychology degree will most likely give me the most experience into aa medical field like psychiatry compared to a person who studies in emergency medicine for example, I may like psychiatry more because it links back to psychology
Emergency medicine has an enormous psychological component, not only because of the large number of mental health patients who are seen in A&E (there is a whole subspecialty of psychiatry dedicated to seeing them), but because serious or unknown physical illness/injury can put people under a lot of stress and change their behaviour. I got a job in A&E because I wanted exposure to another side of medicine, but I quickly discovered that I hadn't moved as far from CAMHS as I expected. This is the sort of thing I meant when I suggested more research. Choose one thing to focus on, medicine or clin psych, because they are different but equally competitive professions and one is not a natural backup for the other.
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I fully understand where you are coming from, and I 100% agree with the entrance exam scores will effectively be the main priority of getting into graduate entry medicine, but what I'm saying, let's say HYPOTHETICALLY, I got good results in GAMSAT and I had a degree in neuroscience there may be a uni that may be local to me, Say if I apply to the other unis and get rejected, that uni that only takes neuroscience, may accept me (by luck, not because of my degree) I'm keeping my options open, that is all.


I 100% agree with you on that your entrance exam scores will make or break your chance of getting into graduate entry medicine, but what I'm saying is HYPOTHETICALLY, if I was to chose neuroscience, the uni may be local to me or I may get rejected by all of them except the one that allows neuroscience ( BY LUCK AND NOT BY MY DEGREE ), im just giving myself all the options available, that is all.



I did a response early and it was detailed but I accidently deleted it, so I kinda summarised it here.
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Honestly you'd be better off taking a gap year (or two) and taking A-levels or an Access to Medicine course (provided it's acceptable by the medical schools you want to apply to). It's statistically easier to get in to standard entry medicine than GEM, and even taking two years out to take A-levels would lead you to qualify as a doctor in the same time or faster than doing a degree - it would also be much cheaper (you do not receive full funding for medicine as a graduate).

GEM courses don't care about your degree subject outside of a tick box exercise, if applicable. Some require a bioscience course, if you have one you tick that box - they don't care whether you did plant sciences or biomedical sciences in that case. Some require a STEM degree in general - they won't care if you did physics or physiology then. Some have no specific degree requirements, in which case they won't care if you did comparative literature or underwater basket weaving. Doing X degree or Y degree won't increase your chances of getting an offer provided that the degree is accepted in the first place by the GEM course you're applying to.
Actually, if you don't have chemistry in your degree, you'd have to have it at Alevel. If not alevel then you'd have to sit the GAMSAT- you have to demonstrate some understanding of chemistry. If you do decide to go down the GEM route, I strongly suggest that you do a degree that contains some chemistry- but I strongly recommend as others have, to do your levels/resit. GEM places are very numbered, and most who are applying have years of NHS service and experience

Even if as a graduate you apply to standard medicine 1) its expensive 2) you will most of the time be considered with other graduates, which is extremely difficult.

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I'm someone who didn't do well during alevels, but I could defiantly have resat and gotten my 3A/A*s. Problem was a lot of misinformation and a lack of support from my college. They deemed me unsuitable and did not encourage me in the way they should have. I don't regret doing biomedical sciences, and I really enjoyed my degree. If anything, it has just made me realise I love science more than anything, and if medicine doesn't work out, doing a phd and becoming a researcher is something that I could consider.

I am extremely lucky I feel like this, because alot of biomed graduates don't necessarily. As for with doing psychology- you need to think about your job prospects with this degree (I do feel it may be little oversubscribed). And if you do want to consider medicine after a degree, do make sure that there is enough chemistry in said degree. But not before you consider resitting your alevels. Even now I wish I did.
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Actually, if you don't have chemistry in your degree, you'd have to have it at Alevel. If not alevel then you'd have to sit the GAMSAT- you have to demonstrate some understanding of chemistry. If you do decide to go down the GEM route, I strongly suggest that you do a degree that contains some chemistry- but I strongly recommend as others have, to do your levels/resit.
Newcastle, Southampton, and Warwick GEM will accept any degree, don't require a chemistry A-level, and use UCAT rather than GAMSAT. It's still very competitive (last year people with UCAT scores over 3000 were getting rejected from Newcastle) but it's not true that chemistry is an absolute requirement everywhere.

OP, I'm struggling to follow your reasoning - you started off talking about applying to the DClinPsy, and now you're planning to do neuroscience in order to keep your options open? You won't be eligible to apply to the DClinPsy with a straight neuroscience degree (it will need to have a certain amount of psychology content and be BPS-accredited) and there is no GEM programme anywhere in the country that only accepts neuroscience as a first degree. Make sure you are taking your info from the organisations and universities concerned, not just from forum posts.
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Newcastle, Southampton, and Warwick GEM will accept any degree, don't require a chemistry A-level, and use UCAT rather than GAMSAT. It's still very competitive (last year people with UCAT scores over 3000 were getting rejected from Newcastle) but it's not true that chemistry is an absolute requirement everywhere.

OP, I'm struggling to follow your reasoning - you started off talking about applying to the DClinPsy, and now you're planning to do neuroscience in order to keep your options open? You won't be eligible to apply to the DClinPsy with a straight neuroscience degree (it will need to have a certain amount of psychology content and be BPS-accredited) and there is no GEM programme anywhere in the country that only accepts neuroscience as a first degree. Make sure you are taking your info from the organisations and universities concerned, not just from forum posts.
Okay well thats 3/14 GEM medical school programs that don't require a BMAT,GAMSAT or Alevel chemistry or chemistry at degree level. But you have 4 Ucas options. Say OP opts for a 4th standard entry option- not a single one doesn't require chemistry at alevel or degree level or a gamsat
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Okay well thats 3/14 GEM medical school programs that don't require a BMAT,GAMSAT or Alevel chemistry or chemistry at degree level. But you have 4 Ucas options. Say OP opts for a 4th standard entry option- not a single one doesn't require chemistry at alevel or degree level or a gamsat
Newcastle? SGUL? KMMS? ARU? (latter 2 accept various health science degrees not eligible elsewhere, though not checked the specifics here)
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