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Conservative MP Peter Bottomley, MP for Worthing West since 1975, has spoken out about the annual MP salary of £81,932. They have described the salary as making things "desperately difficult" for MPs. The MP compared his job to that of a GP, who typically earn above £100k annually. His comments come as the government is cutting the £20 a week from Universal Credit.

For clarity, all MPs receive an annual salary of £81,932. This is on top of various expenses they can claim, including the costs of:

- running an office
- employing staff
- having somewhere to live in London or their constituency
- travelling between Parliament and their constituency, etc.

For comparison, the median annual income in the Uk is £31,000 - less than half what MPs make.

Thoughts on this? Is an annual salary of £81k and a generous expenses deal simply too little for MPs?

The words 'totally out of touch' comes to mind.
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Its anensively high salary considering they do sod all hard work, sitting in the house and heckjling the opposition not really being particularly difficult. Now a cabinet MP actually does some more meaningful work and has some responsibility.
If anything they should be on minimum wage to show them what most people have to go through, it might make them think twice before screwing around with taxes on the lowest paid or giving out pay freezes and firing thousands of civil servants, for example.
This inseesant whingeing by these over entitled brats really is quite appalling though. Just as public servants are not in it for the money nor should MPs be. The whole point of the job is to make a difference to society and help others, not to line their pockets - as most MPs seem to be in it for. Disgracefully outof touch bordering on theft, considering its the tax payer who fund their moats, redecorations, pornography and so on.
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I completely agree that it is a completely out of touch and stupid comment by a senile old fool.

That said I agree that MPs should be paid more with the caveat that it should be paid for by reducing the number of MPs (and HoL) by half.

Whilst it's a popular idea that MPs should be paid less or on minimum wage in practise that would mean that only wealthy people with additional incomes could afford to be an MP and corruption would be an increasingly attractive proposition (much more than it already is)
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Whilst it's a popular idea that MPs should be paid less or on minimum wage in practise that would mean that only wealthy people with additional incomes could afford to be an MP and corruption would be an increasingly attractive proposition (much more than it already is)
How is it that only wealthy people can afford to become an MP, given that MP expenses are covered?
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How is it that only wealthy people can afford to become an MP, given that MP expenses are covered?
It might be feasible in theory but I think for the people we want to be MPs - the brightest and best - none of them will be prepared to do it. Already the private sector Hoover's up most of the real talent.

If you want all our MPs to be geriatric old men with a bit of money and nothing better to do- people like the MP in question in fact - then putting MPs on Min wage would be a pretty good idea... (Hmm maybe the idea has some merit though )
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How is it that only wealthy people can afford to become an MP, given that MP expenses are covered?
I notice your remain badge, if you want to have a go at MP's salary in UK you must be really disgusted at the tax free salaries and expenses claimed by MEP's.
Lots of MP's are wealthy and could certainly make more in business, but it's not true to say all MP's are wealthy.
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(Original post by Starship Trooper)
Whilst it's a popular idea that MPs should be paid less or on minimum wage in practise that would mean that only wealthy people with additional incomes could afford to be an MP and corruption would be an increasingly attractive proposition (much more than it already is)
Another point to make it that offering very low pay to MPs (and any public sector workers with significant influence) is fairly dangerous also, as it makes them susceptible to corruption. Given how much information MPs likely hold, especially more senior ones, it's a major security issue if you're paying them peanuts.

I'm definitely no fan of the pay and perks MPs receive, but trying to recruit public representatives on a shoestring budget is never going to end well. I would argue MPs should receive around £50-£60k as it enables a decent standard of living and is on par with what most civil servants receive in London also.
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Pay them about £30-£35,000. Slightly above national average.
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(Original post by Starship Trooper)
It might be feasible in theory but I think for the people we want to be MPs - the brightest and best - none of them will be prepared to do it. Already the private sector Hoover's up most of the real talent.

If you want all our MPs to be geriatric old men with a bit of money and nothing better to do- people like the MP in question in fact - then putting MPs on Min wage would be a pretty good idea... (Hmm maybe the idea has some merit though )
This is separate to whether being an MP is affordable, though, which is what you claimed would not the case. Whether we need to give MPs high salaries to 'attract talent' is a different question entirely.
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I notice your remain badge, if you want to have a go at MP's salary in UK you must be really disgusted at the tax free salaries and expenses claimed by MEP's.
Lots of MP's are wealthy and could certainly make more in business, but it's not true to say all MP's are wealthy.
Absolutely - MEPs get paid an insane amount of money and should definitely have their pay cut. I think the same should happen for MPs in this country, that their salary should drop to somewhere close the medium salary.
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Conservative MP Peter Bottomley, MP for Worthing West since 1975, has spoken out about the annual MP salary of £81,932. They have described the salary as making things "desperately difficult" for MPs. The MP compared his job to that of a GP, who typically earn above £100k annually. His comments come as the government is cutting the £20 a week from Universal Credit.

For clarity, all MPs receive an annual salary of £81,932. This is on top of various expenses they can claim, including the costs of:

- running an office
- employing staff
- having somewhere to live in London or their constituency
- travelling between Parliament and their constituency, etc.

For comparison, the median annual income in the Uk is £31,000 - less than half what MPs make.

Thoughts on this? Is an annual salary of £81k and a generous expenses deal simply too little for MPs?

The words 'totally out of touch' comes to mind.
Maybe if some of those MPs worked a proper job for once in their comfortable overpaid lives they’d understand just how out of touch this sentiment is.
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Our current MPs are rubbish so no sir, no need to give them are payrise, they need a pay cut if anything.
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I'd actually give them a pay rise to about 100k per year but I'd also scrap the whole expenses system. Expenses systems encourage fraud and therefore tedious bureaucracy to counter it.
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I fully agree with him.
Pay all experienced MPs that have regularly attended the common for at least a decade a six or seven figure basic annual salary with zero access to any personal expenses.

Plus impose a requirement for all external sources of employment or consultancy work of serving MPs to be authorised by the leader of the commons, deputy leader, their own party leader, at least 70% of their party's backbenchers and five members of the cabinet- with the tax returns of all MPs that receive additional income from extra jobs made public in relation to all extra earnings & employers. :cool:
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(Original post by SHallowvale)
Conservative MP Peter Bottomley, MP for Worthing West since 1975, has spoken out about the annual MP salary of £81,932. They have described the salary as making things "desperately difficult" for MPs. The MP compared his job to that of a GP, who typically earn above £100k annually. His comments come as the government is cutting the £20 a week from Universal Credit.

For clarity, all MPs receive an annual salary of £81,932. This is on top of various expenses they can claim, including the costs of:

- running an office
- employing staff
- having somewhere to live in London or their constituency
- travelling between Parliament and their constituency, etc.

For comparison, the median annual income in the Uk is £31,000 - less than half what MPs make.

Thoughts on this? Is an annual salary of £81k and a generous expenses deal simply too little for MPs?

The words 'totally out of touch' comes to mind.
I don't have a problem with it. They do a difficult job. They do a job that doesn't have job security and are risking a public integrity which if smeared or destroyed will live with them for the rest of their lives. And there are only 650 of them. By contrast there are probably millions of people earning around the median wage.

I suppose the question is, what is a fair salary for an MP who is affectively on call 24 / 7?
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Maybe if some of those MPs worked a proper job for once in their comfortable overpaid lives they’d understand just how out of touch this sentiment is.
TBF the old git used to be a lorry driver apparently apparently, I guess decades working as a politician warps you
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MP’s are underpaid. Running the country is a difficult 24/7 job that we want competent people doing. Comparable jobs (GP’s, senior civil servants, local government officials, senior head teachers, Nicola Sturgeon..) get paid far more.
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I don't have a problem with it. They do a difficult job. They do a job that doesn't have job security and are risking a public integrity which if smeared or destroyed will live with them for the rest of their lives. And there are only 650 of them. By contrast there are probably millions of people earning around the median wage.

I suppose the question is, what is a fair salary for an MP who is affectively on call 24 / 7?
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MP’s are underpaid. Running the country is a difficult 24/7 job that we want competent people doing. Comparable jobs (GP’s, senior civil servants, local government officials, senior head teachers, Nicola Sturgeon..) get paid far more.
Both of you are wrongly assuming that every MP works 24/7 and is 'running the country'. This is simply false. Running the country is done by ministers who already earn a higher salary than regular MPs. Backbencher MPs, in comparison, have very little responsibility in running the country.
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Both of you are wrongly assuming that every MP works 24/7 and is 'running the country'. This is simply false. Running the country is done by ministers who already earn a higher salary than regular MPs. Backbencher MPs, in comparison, have very little responsibility in running the country.
You are right. MPs don't run the country. But they do hold the executive to account. They are also a strong voice and advocate for constituents who need help in all manner of issues. They can also raise concerns to the executive. I think you will find MPs work much harder than you think and during the week can be called into parliament to vote at 10pm. Hardly family hours.
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You are right. MPs don't run the country. But they do hold the executive to account. They are also a strong voice and advocate for constituents who need help in all manner of issues. They can also raise concerns to the executive. I think you will find MPs work much harder than you think and during the week can be called into parliament to vote at 10pm. Hardly family hours.
Yet given that the expenses of their job are covered, including the home they live in, I'd say that their current salary is far more than enough to compensate them for this work. I'd be laughing with an £80k salary on top of having my staff, office and accomodation all paid for.
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