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Hmm in theory I agree but I suspect you're the type to want us to prosecute for anti LGBTQ views, anti woke views etc
Nope. Unless there's a credible threat or incitement to violence.
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I don't think that's accurate and I think she's doing something- the problem is we don't know what's happening behind the scenes and what she's up against not only in terms of s hostile establishment eg the civil service, judiciary etc but also in her own party.
If that were true, then why not say it?
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How is education too left wing? Are the practices of differentiation, inclusion, equality and equity built into the teaching standards a bit too much for those on the right who would feel more comfortable building a high wall with those who deserve and those who do not on opposing sides?
I have had a further education biology teacher trying to teach a classroom of sensible adults that human evolution never happen and gay people were evil.

Many left/right leaning people do not realize that most people from west Africa are more socially conservative and religious than British people and a lot more open about their values/views. Even in an class room setting
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I agree.

It's a shame you don't.
Good for you. Unfortunately you're not representative of the people in power so it doesn't matter one bit.

If you were, (and I was in power on the right) then we could have a nice bipartisan area of agreement on the importance of free speech where everyone could speak their mind.

But that isn't the world we're living in unfortunately and it's "childish" to pretend it is..
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If that were true, then why not say it?
Lots of reasons. For one if she wants to be PM in future she may have to rely on these people in her own party, she may have been told not to by Boris etc. You also have cabinet responsibility etc

We already know that the civil service tried to take her out with "bullying" accusations etc.
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I have had a further education biology teacher trying to teach a classroom of sensible adults that human evolution never happen and gay people were evil.

Many left/right leaning people do not realize that most people from west Africa are more socially conservative and religious than British people and a lot more open about their values/views. Even in an class room setting
So they literally said "gay people are evil" ?
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So they literally said "gay people are evil" ?
It was sinners
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I have had a further education biology teacher trying to teach a classroom of sensible adults that human evolution never happen and gay people were evil.
That is one teacher and they are breaking the terms of their employment and should be reported.

But back to the question - how is the education system left leaning? BTW - we teach equality and equity, that racism and sexism are bad because firstly it is on the national curriculum and secondly it is protected under the Equalities Act of UK law.
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But back to the question - how is the education system left leaning? BTW - we teach equality and equity, that racism and sexism are bad because firstly it is on the national curriculum and secondly it is protected under the Equalities Act of UK law.
Uh yeah it's literally a legal requirement that teachers promote left wing ideology. That's my point exactly.
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Uh yeah it's literally a legal requirement that teachers promote left wing ideology. That's my point exactly.
As opposed to right wing ideology which is about being racist and sexist? Really???
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As opposed to right wing ideology which is about being racist and sexist? Really???
It's not about right wingers being "sexist and racist", it's about those ideas being left wing concepts being weaponised to attack the right.

Being against immigration or supporting positive discrimination can both be seen as racist for example.

It's largely subjective: it's like me saying that left wing ideology is evil and treasonous.
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And so it goes on, is it too much to ask people keep politics, of all descriptions, out of the classroom (bar the politics course that is)? Theyre there to learn not be radicalised and indoctrinated by whichever flavor of prat the teacher is.
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Outside of the classroom there should be no lists. None at all. If people want to spend their days talking about "white privilege" or how Conservatives are scum, then they shouldn't be prevented from doing so. Likewise if I want to give a Mosque sermon about how homosexuality and transgenderism is satanic and how the alphabet brigade will burn in hell, I shouldn't be prevented from doing that either.

Society has became far too weak. I suppose the left started it though.

In terms of schools I agree though. The education system should be politically neutral, that the fact that it is too left wing needs correcting.
Well said.

Like the OP, I also dislike that epithet "white privilege"; but the notion of "lists" - esp. in the hands of state officials and officers - is extremely ominous. What on earth are they going to do? Send them to a re-education camp? Short of terrorist suspects, I see no reasons for lists either.

What makes us different is that we stand apart from the cancel/calling out/silencing culture. We stand for the open society.
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That is one teacher and they are breaking the terms of their employment and should be reported.

But back to the question - how is the education system left leaning? BTW - we teach equality and equity, that racism and sexism are bad because firstly it is on the national curriculum and secondly it is protected under the Equalities Act of UK law.
I hope in social studies that the students are educated about Kriss Donald murder. Not the detail ofcourse but lack of media attention compared to other child murder by strangers or racist murders.
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Uh yeah it's literally a legal requirement that teachers promote left wing ideology. That's my point exactly.
You'll find notions like don't be racist or don't be sexist are shared across the British political spectrum. Which is why the Conservative Party regards them as fundamental British values and requires teachers to promote them.

I appreciate this may be uncomfortable for weak reactionaries who feel threatened by the presence of black people walking down the street or women in positions of power, but they are just going to toughen up and to learn to live with it.
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You'll find notions like don't be racist or don't be sexist are shared across the British political spectrum. Which is why the Conservative Party regards them as fundamental British values and requires teachers to promote them.

I appreciate this may be uncomfortable for weak reactionaries who feel threatened by the presence of black people walking down the street or women in positions of power, but they are just going to toughen up and to learn to live with it.
It interesting that the conservatives are the only major parties that a part roma working class non university educated man as leader John Major working class university educated leader Thatcher.

None of the other has had a working class leaders that have become prime minister.
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You'll find notions like don't be racist or don't be sexist are shared across the British political spectrum. Which is why the Conservative Party regards them as fundamental British values and requires teachers to promote them.

I appreciate this may be uncomfortable for weak reactionaries who feel threatened by the presence of black people walking down the street or women in positions of power, but they are just going to toughen up and to learn to live with it.
Yes many people allegedly on the right have fallen to left wing narratives about "equality".

Lol nope. See post #51. I'd love to see say Kemi Badenoch and Candace Owens in power. Of course the left would be against this because they must be "racist" or/and "sexist" right? It's all so tiresome and fake.
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Lots of reasons. For one if she wants to be PM in future she may have to rely on these people in her own party, she may have been told not to by Boris etc. You also have cabinet responsibility etc

We already know that the civil service tried to take her out with "bullying" accusations etc.
So climbing the greasy pole is more important than the country...
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And so it goes on, is it too much to ask people keep politics, of all descriptions, out of the classroom (bar the politics course that is)? Theyre there to learn not be radicalised and indoctrinated by whichever flavor of prat the teacher is.
The problem is that eveything, almost by nature, is political.

What people often mean is that they want schools to enforce their own poltics.
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So climbing the greasy pole is more important than the country...
There is such a thing as selling out/ grifting but there's also such a thing as pragmatism.

In order to achieve things in a large political party you have to compromise if you want to have any hope of power unless you have a directly elected position like Trump or are able to Squeeze into a leadership election like corbyn- but even then you have to be somewhat pragmatic.

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The problem is that eveything, almost by nature, is political.

What people often mean is that they want schools to enforce their own poltics.
True.

We I my had the illusion of objectivity because we had a homogeneous white Christian society. Now thanks to multiculturalism and Liberalism the illusion is well and truly over.

Lastly there is no objective reason why the government shouldn't leave you alone no matter how sympathetic that might be.
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