Why does society create so many bitter, misogynistic men?

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yet you have failed to reply to the question in a sensible or direct manner.. Stop using big words and being so vague and ambiguous to avoid getting into the actual core of the issue. Give illustrations. Raise your points that you claim get shut down and revoked but that are actually valid. Stop speaking in such vast and general terms cause that only tells me that you're unable to form a coherent argument and even less so holding an actual debate where you can defend it. You reek of egocentrism and narrow-mindedness. The same disease you're accusing other people of with that air of superiority and arrogance.
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Commodifying sex and destroying family structures.
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when you listen to the language of incels they're frustrated and feel bitterness toward women out of a sense of entitlement to their bodies. addiction to pornography isn't uncommon and porn is often a conversation on their internet platforms (see link below). porn falsely teaches young boys and men of what women are supposed to be like, ie easily laid and dominated by men, so they get frustrated that the real world isn't that easy and gives them that privilege; i mean to an incel what a great world that would be to live in if you could easily dominate women and still get laid. women can take care of you and be like slaves :daydreaming:

https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/ful...77801221996453

you don't have to be an incel tho to express misogyny which is obvs still socially acceptable and normalised so much so it's become invisible and denied as a social problem and you can indeed be a long-term misogynist and even be elected President of the United States by Christian conservatives.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...targeted-women

this too stems from beliefs in the patriarchy and expectations/disappointments of gender norms. women are still expected to give traditional feminine goods, like sex, care and emotional labour. why can't they just do that instead of trying to ruin a perfectly good system where men dominate and women submit and look pretty and are virginal? i mean that's what i've been taught growing up and i can just grab them by the pussy?
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I'd actually be interested in having a serious, respectful and Frank discussion about this with someone like Jolee or someone from the "anti incel" camp. as someone on the hard right I obviously disagree with the prevailing narrative around Incels.

I'm working two long days after tonight but if anyone would like to ask me something I should get back to you on Wednesday
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TBH society has changed. My grandfather would probably be in prison for some of the stuff he did when he had a secretary in the 60s.
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There has always been weak bitter men. The difference is now they have the internet to vocally complain how women overlook them.

However their complaints won’t change the reality of evolutionary sex selection.
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Commodifying sex and destroying family structures.
Yes, and men are literally being effimanted.
If you want to get all conspiracy for a second, its for easier control.


That being said, this is a great video to watch. And how the RedPill can save men from being @ss wipes towards women:

https://youtu.be/sMnvRb0TbeA?t=484
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Yes, and men are literally being effimanted.
If you want to get all conspiracy for a second, its for easier control.


That being said, this is a great video to watch. And how the RedPill can save men from being @ss wipes towards women:

https://youtu.be/sMnvRb0TbeA?t=484
In what way? Or simply by not beating up random people on the street to assert ones dominance and throttling a bear to death for dinner?
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In what way? Or simply by not beating up random people on the street to assert ones dominance and throttling a bear to death for dinner?
Just go outside in the UK and look at the guys with dyed hair, painted fingernails, and act like sissys that get butthurt when asking them to do a simple task.
Some dude at my job got fired a few weeks back because of how he was acting (Like a women)

Men are literally more emotional then ever before.

If that isn't men being effimanted, then Idk what is.

Did you even watch the above video that explains this?
Being a man doesn't mean beating up others, and being toxic masculine.
Its disgusting how people are viewing this...
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Just go outside in the UK and look at the guys with dyed hair, painted fingernails, and act like sissys that get butthurt when asking them to do a simple task.
Some dude at my job got fired a few weeks back because of how he was acting (Like a women)

Men are literally more emotional then ever before.

If that isn't men being effimanted, then Idk what is.


https://youtu.be/sMnvRb0TbeA?t=484
Cant sday ive ever seen them as a majority of anything... and are you referring to the 'gender diverse' lot or metrosexual males?
Acting like a woman in what way? Suffice it to say your employer can happily be brought before a tribunal for that.

Remind me what is wrong with showing emotion, and no i dont mean balling your eyes out at everything, as opposed to hiding any form of it? Aside from it being a rather victorian attitude it isnt one that has much benefit to anyone. Theres a good reason male suicide rates are sickeningly high and its from attitudes like this.

What is this link?
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Cant sday ive ever seen them as a majority of anything... and are you referring to the 'gender diverse' lot or metrosexual males?
Acting like a woman in what way? Suffice it to say your employer can happily be brought before a tribunal for that.

Remind me what is wrong with showing emotion, and no i dont mean balling your eyes out at everything, as opposed to hiding any form of it? Aside from it being a rather victorian attitude it isnt one that has much benefit to anyone. Theres a good reason male suicide rates are sickeningly high and its from attitudes like this.

What is this link?
Male suicides is EXACTLY because men are not being heard/cared off.
Society doesn't cater to mens problems as much as they do to womens.
Women have things in place that can comfort them.
Men on the other hand are largely left on their own devices...

Theres a reason male suicide/loneliness is strongly correlated, Men are being effimanted to the point they a lot of dudes these days barely have any connections with other guys, like GENUINE connections.

The link is a youtube video of 3 RedPilled guys chatting about all this...

Remind me what is wrong with showing emotion, and no i dont mean balling your eyes out at everything, as opposed to hiding any form of it?


A victorian attitude? You and I know very well know emotional efimanted men are dangerous to deal with.

Elliot rodgers being a prime example..



Showing emotion as a dude is literally a turn off, guys don't respect you, your girl sure as sh1t won't either.
Theres a difference between crying once in a while from genuine distress/heart-breaking event.
But if your a dude that keeps showing your emotions, you bet your ass off its more negative then positive. No one wants to be around some dude that can't hold it together, im sorry but get off the internet and realise this is just the cold hard reality of it...

Its literally a trap when people tell men to show their feminine side, its suicide and a good way to get yourself cucked.
I have yet to meet some women that isn't turned off by some dude being a sissy.
No guy respects some dude being emotional, You need to be that rock in a relationship, or how can you trust a dude that break downs and shows his emotions all the time?
Nope...
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Male suicides is EXACTLY because men are not being heard/cared off.
Society doesn't cater to mens problems as much as they do to womens.
Women have things in place that can comfort them.
Men on the other hand are largely left on their own devices...
And what do they have to 'cater to them' that men dont?
Theres a reason male suicide/loneliness is strongly correlated, Men are being effimanted to the point they a lot of dudes these days barely have any connections with other guys, like GENUINE connections.
Yeah men are topping themselves because theyre becoming women?:lol:
The link is a youtube video of 3 RedPilled guys chatting about all this...
Right... 'redpilled' very droll.
Remind me what is wrong with showing emotion, and no i dont mean balling your eyes out at everything, as opposed to hiding any form of it?


A victorian attitude? You and I know very well know emotional efimanted men are dangerous to deal with.

Elliot rodgers being a prime example..
In what universe can you call that lunatic 'emotional and effeminate' ? You're just making stuff up now.
A psychopath who cant get any has rather little to do with your, as yet, baseless accusation that men are all a bunch of women now...


Showing emotion as a dude is literally a turn off, guys don't respect you, your girl sure as sh1t won't either.
Theres a difference between crying once in a while from genuine distress/heart-breaking event.
But if your a dude that keeps showing your emotions, you bet your ass off its more negative then positive.
Its literally a trap when people tell men to show their feminine side, its suicide and a good way to get yourself cucked.
I have yet to meet some women that isn't turned off by some dude being a sissy.
No guy respects some dude being emotional, You need to that rock in a relationship, or how can you trust a dude that break downs and shows his emotions all the time?
Nope...
Er not according to most women.
Suicide and a good way to get 'cucked' ? what in gods name are you on about? This just seems to be a load of random hard right dog whistlers lobbed together for the hell of it.
No idea what the last bit is even meant to mean. Suffice it to say, your opinion on emotion is just that, an opinion, and one that most people dont share. Many would sooner laugh at it than agree when you start saying claptrap like men who show emotion are a bunch of cuckholded incels (a contradiction in terms but nevertheless)

By all means, show some form of proof for these... novel... allegations that men are becoming more effete and that somehow leads to your conclusions though. And, no, a random youtube video of some nobodies complaining does not evidence make..
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And what do they have to 'cater to them' that men dont?
Theres literally hundreds of videos of women crying about their problems online on Youtube/Tiktok/Instagram, and getting attention from others comforting her to the point you even have simps donating thousands to solve her ''problems''.

I don't see men doing the exact same without getting mocked/cancelled.

Do you want links to, to those videos that prove this? Because I can link a bunch.
But I dont think I will since you don't even bother to look further apparently...


Er not according to most women.

Your saying women are not turned off by men that show their emotions all the time?
Its sad that you believe in their lies its laughable at this point, either that or your good at trolling and lying to youself. You get no sympathy acting that way as a dude im telling you right off the bat. Or you can test this yourself and start acting that way towards women and see how that turns out for you.

Sorry that women say one thing, but mean the other, it happens frequently that people state one thing to sound politically correct for inclusion but don't actually mean it in reality, people tend to be good at that these days, like yourself...

Heres a poll from an official research: (showing Emotional behaviour was in the top 95% of being unnatractive traits for men voted by women) Matter of fact, its the MOST unnattractice trait they stated. So I think you are very VERY wrong sir....

https://www.pewresearch.org/social-t...-caring-women/

Heres a video explaining regarding this topic:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6AZK...ichCooperClips


(Original post by Napp)
Right... 'redpilled' very droll.


By all means, show some form of proof for these... novel... allegations that men are becoming more effete and that somehow leads to your conclusions though. And, no, a random youtube video of some nobodies complaining does not evidence make..
And these are not random 'nobodies' if you actually knew who these men are.
The guy on the left has dedicated his life for example researching gender dynamics and studies on all this. Also has a series of books which is quite popular.

Im not replying to you anymore, becuase clearly you didn't bother to watch the video I linked, where it anwsers most your questions instead of you doing loops and nit-picking.


If you want to reply, then go watch those video disproving you pretty badly if that first.
Again you can disagree with me, but you cannot disagree with reality, unless you want to call yourself delusional...
Good night.
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He's not wrong. I think it's also true that women are more masculine in Western society too. There are lots of reasons why this is the case eg -

https://www.forbes.com/sites/neilhow...h=32da863e8b7f

But also social and political. It's something that the Chinese have picked up on too and rightly see see it as a problem.

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yet you have failed to reply to the question in a sensible or direct manner.. Stop using big words and being so vague and ambiguous to avoid getting into the actual core of the issue. Give illustrations. Raise your points that you claim get shut down and revoked but that are actually valid. Stop speaking in such vast and general terms cause that only tells me that you're unable to form a coherent argument and even less so holding an actual debate where you can defend it. You reek of egocentrism and narrow-mindedness. The same disease you're accusing other people of with that air of superiority and arrogance.
Do you think it is biological/physiological?

For example, many people lack Vitamin D and live on junk food, and this is represented through their personality?
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Yes, and men are literally being effimanted.
If you want to get all conspiracy for a second, its for easier control.


That being said, this is a great video to watch. And how the RedPill can save men from being @ss wipes towards women:

https://youtu.be/sMnvRb0TbeA?t=484
I'd say so. Look at how record executives - the majority of which are white - are pushing pro-LGBT musicans such as Lil Nas X on black people.
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