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Hey asking for a friend here

He unfortunately didnt get the grades. Got A*BB
So he is thinking of applying to have 3 biomedical sciences courses and 2 foundation year medicine courses. I advised him it would be better to take a gap year and apply since he is adamant to apply for medicine anyway

But I was not sure if it is possible or not. Any advice here is appreciated thank you
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I think you need WP flags or something to be eligible for foundation courses for medicine but I'm not too sure about that. Definitely don't apply for biomed if you want to go into medicine as GEM is more competitive, expensive and time consuming. It's better to just apply to the foundation courses and take a gap year if you get no offers.
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(Original post by world2change)
Hey asking for a friend here

He unfortunately didnt get the grades. Got A*BB
So he is thinking of applying to have 3 biomedical sciences courses and 2 foundation year medicine courses. I advised him it would be better to take a gap year and apply since he is adamant to apply for medicine anyway

But I was not sure if it is possible or not. Any advice here is appreciated thank you
(Original post by hungrysalamander)
I think you need WP flags or something to be eligible for foundation courses for medicine but I'm not too sure about that. Definitely don't apply for biomed if you want to go into medicine as GEM is more competitive, expensive and time consuming. It's better to just apply to the foundation courses and take a gap year if you get no offers.
Correct, Medicine with a Foundation Year courses are not open access, available to anyone with lower grades than expected.

It's made specifically for people from disadvantaged backgrounds - if you have widening participation criteria, by all means consider them.

Otherwise, take a gap year and reapply to standard undergrad medicine. Never ever do a degree with the sole aim for graduate entry medicine - your friend will regret it.
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Correct, Medicine with a Foundation Year courses are not open access, available to anyone with lower grades than expected.

It's made specifically for people from disadvantaged backgrounds - if you have widening participation criteria, by all means consider them.

Otherwise, take a gap year and reapply to standard undergrad medicine. Never ever do a degree with the sole aim for graduate entry medicine - your friend will regret it.
Yh that is exactly what I told him. I even told him that foundation courses (well most of them) you need to be eligible for the widening participation criteria as well - which he doesnt really have. The grades are the only issue as well as UCAT

The 2 foundation courses he found dont really look at predicted grades much, and doesnt say much about widening participation criteria as well. ( Nottingham and Lincoln I believe he is trying but I dont know much about them tbh) he is not eligible with other foundation courses

I will tell him its best to take a gap year
Plus its not really wise to apply to 2 medical schools only right?
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...I will tell him its best to take a gap year
Plus its not really wise to apply to 2 medical schools only right?
Not really wise unless you have a reason to believe you will definitely receive an interview there, which in some cases, some people may do.

And yes - always take a gap year if your ultimate goal is medicine.
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Not really wise unless you have a reason to believe you will definitely receive an interview there, which in some cases, some people may do.

And yes - always take a gap year if your ultimate goal is medicine.
Yh thanks thats what I thought thank you.

One last thing, mainly for curiousity, are foundation year medicine courses more competitive than undergraduate then? Just something I was thinking about since I have plenty of classmates applying for them instead of undergraduate because of their grades. Its another thing I discussed with him as well, but didnt want to give him wrong info. Its what I observed
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Yh thanks thats what I thought thank you.

One last thing, mainly for curiousity, are foundation year medicine courses more competitive than undergraduate then?
In terms of raw numbers and competition ratios? Yes usually.

Just something I was thinking about since I have plenty of classmates applying for them instead of undergraduate because of their grades. Its another thing I discussed with him as well, but didnt want to give him wrong info. Its what I observed
Lower requirements + lower number of places usually translates to a higher (and in some cases much higher) competition ratio.
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In terms of raw numbers and competition ratios? Yes usually.



Lower requirements + lower number of places usually translates to a higher (and in some cases much higher) competition ratio.
Ok thanks. I know what to tell him now. Thanks for your help
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Ok thanks. I know what to tell him now. Thanks for your help
Remember, not everyone can apply to Medicine with a Foundation Year courses!

Not being eligible would mean a straight rejection and a waste of a valuable choice.
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Just checking you know that he needs to resit the A levels in his gap year - it wasn't discussed here, but taking a gap year and re-applying with same grades won't help! Is there anything to stop him re-sitting this year and applying with grades pending (like everyone else)?
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Just checking you know that he needs to resit the A levels in his gap year - it wasn't discussed here, but taking a gap year and re-applying with same grades won't help! Is there anything to stop him re-sitting this year and applying with grades pending (like everyone else)?
Not really no. Yh I told him he would have to resit his a levels anyway during a gap year and after talking to him just now he is pretty convinced to do this now. Thanks
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Remember, not everyone can apply to Medicine with a Foundation Year courses!

Not being eligible would mean a straight rejection and a waste of a valuable choice.
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I think you need WP flags or something to be eligible for foundation courses for medicine but I'm not too sure about that. Definitely don't apply for biomed if you want to go into medicine as GEM is more competitive, expensive and time consuming. It's better to just apply to the foundation courses and take a gap year if you get no offers.
Thanks I will tell him. Thats what I told him just wanted to make sure I was right not giving him wrong info.
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Not really no. Yh I told him he would have to resit his a levels anyway during a gap year and after talking to him just now he is pretty convinced to do this now. Thanks
What are the grades and subjects? Liverpool and Leicester accept A*AB (with A*/A in Chem), so that could take some pressure off the resit. Would need to double check whether a summer resit increases the grade, would have been fine for autumn exam. I would advise him to plan A levels this summer and apply now. If he is eligible for foundation year, fine to apply for a mixture of A100 and A104, if the A104 applications were successful offers would be unconditional, A100 would be conditional.
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Also, if he is eligible for widening participation, is he eligible for contextual offers? Newcastle BBB for Partners, Bristol ABB for people from a massive list of "aspiring" state schools, but both of those want very good UCAT.
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Yh that is exactly what I told him. I even told him that foundation courses (well most of them) you need to be eligible for the widening participation criteria as well - which he doesnt really have. The grades are the only issue as well as UCAT

The 2 foundation courses he found dont really look at predicted grades much, and doesnt say much about widening participation criteria as well. ( Nottingham and Lincoln I believe he is trying but I dont know much about them tbh) he is not eligible with other foundation courses

I will tell him its best to take a gap year
Plus its not really wise to apply to 2 medical schools only right?
They are pretty clear about the need to meet WP criteria
https://www.nottingham.ac.uk/ugstudy...S#requirements
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