Applying for med: can I send another ucas app at the January ucas deadline?

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Im applying for med this year but I am considering applying for another bioscience related degree if I don’t get any interviews. This would be in jan time I *think* when everyone else applies.

Would this even be possible? Would I be able to write another personal statement?
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You can just apply for your 4 Med choices now, and add the 5th non-Med choice later - any time up to 26 January.

Most Unis will accept this and will not want another PS (they all know that Med applicants will also apply for 'another subject') - but if they do, they will ask you for it.
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(Original post by Rosiemaexx)
Im applying for med this year but I am considering applying for another bioscience related degree if I don’t get any interviews. This would be in jan time I *think* when everyone else applies.

Would this even be possible? Would I be able to write another personal statement?
You don’t write another personal statement. It’s the same UCAS form but you can add a 5th non medicine choice later in the year, maybe December
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(Original post by Rosiemaexx)
Im applying for med this year but I am considering applying for another bioscience related degree if I don’t get any interviews. This would be in jan time I *think* when everyone else applies.

Would this even be possible? Would I be able to write another personal statement?
Just another repost:

No one should pick a 5th, non medicine choice. Never ever do a random degree (that's any degree other than medicine) with the sole aim for graduate entry medicine because it'll take longer, cost more and (most importantly) will be much more competitive

Also, if you don't have a 5th choice you may be eligible for UCAS Extra or Clearing - some medicine courses go into these.

Bottom line: don't pick a 5th choice, if unsuccessful just take a gap year and reapply next year... unless you wanted to give up in medicine.
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Just another repost:

No one should pick a 5th, non medicine choice. Never ever do a random degree (that's any degree other than medicine) with the sole aim for graduate entry medicine because it'll take longer, cost more and (most importantly) will be much more competitive

Also, if you don't have a 5th choice you may be eligible for UCAS Extra or Clearing - some medicine courses go into these.

Bottom line: don't pick a 5th choice, if unsuccessful just take a gap year and reapply next year... unless you wanted to give up in medicine.
I totally accept your point about graduate entry medicine being even more competitive but lots of people will want one non medicine choice because if they don’t get any interviews, they would rather give up medicine than take a year out to possibly fail to get into medicine again.

Plus it is easy to self release into Clearing now so that is still an option if some good medicine options happen to become available in Clearing and they have the right grades etc.
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...they would rather give up medicine than take a year out to possibly fail to get into medicine again.
Maybe they would, but they shouldn't.

As I understand it, a lot (the vast majority) of students don't realise that GEM is much, much more competitive.

They just think if they don't get in, they should just do a degree anyway and push the problem further down the line. I knew I was like that.

Schools don't help - they merely want students to start a course, any course. They don't care that by forcing them to do biomed they would make it much harder for them to do medicine later on.

Plus it is easy to self release into Clearing now so that is still an option if some good medicine options happen to become available in Clearing and they have the right grades etc.
UCAS Extra may offer medicine too.

And a lot of these random, non-medicine non-dentistry non-Oxbridge courses themselves go into Clearing so there's no point stressing about them now.
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Maybe they would, but they shouldn't.

As I understand it, a lot (the vast majority) of students don't realise that GEM is much, much more competitive.

They just think if they don't get in, they should just do a degree anyway and push the problem further down the line. I knew I was like that.

Schools don't help - they merely want students to start a course, any course. They don't care that by forcing them to do biomed they would make it much harder for them to do medicine later on.



UCAS Extra may offer medicine too.

And a lot of these random, non-medicine non-dentistry non-Oxbridge courses themselves go into Clearing so there's no point stressing about them now.
But not everyone does an alternative course thinking they can do GEM? Some people want a “safe” choice because they are not that confident about getting into medicine or possibly not 100% committed to it and think I will give it a shot but accept it was not meant to be if I don’t get any offers
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But not everyone does an alternative course thinking they can do GEM?
No, but in my experience most do.

Some people want a “safe” choice because they are not that confident about getting into medicine or possibly not 100% committed to it and think I will give it a shot but accept it was not meant to be if I don’t get any offers
Most people are really committed to medicine. I mean as an interviewer a common question would be "what happens if you don't get in" and our expected answer is usually "I will take a gap year and reapply"; and not "oh I'll just do law / economics / biomed etc."
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No, but in my experience most do.



Most people are really committed to medicine. I mean as an interviewer a common question would be "what happens if you don't get in" and our expected answer is usually "I will take a gap year and reapply"; and not "oh I'll just do law / economics / biomed etc."
I think I would give the same answer if being interviewed for medicine but I do also know students who have said to me that they will make 4 medicine choices and a 5th non medicine one because they would consider doing another course if they were unsuccessful at getting into medicine.


But I do agree about your GEM point and people shouldn’t apply to non medicine courses if they are thinking that they can use an alternative degree simply as a stepping stone into medicine at a later point in their lives.
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...a 5th non medicine one because they would consider doing another course if they were unsuccessful at getting into medicine.
See that's the thing, I don't know if they are really thinking this or they are just misinformed about the difficulty of GEM.

Most people seem to think that GEM is eminently possible.

Hence my reason for making my post discouring 5th options everywhere around the forum. And the non-medicine choice... if they are really desperate to go into Uni for whatever reason, they can always go through clearing for a non-medicine course.

But I do agree about your GEM point and people shouldn’t apply to non medicine courses if they are thinking that they can use an alternative degree simply as a stepping stone into medicine at a later point in their lives.
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ecolier Do i have to submit my 5th back up choice before the med/dent deadline or do I have until the normal deadline?
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ecolier Do i have to submit my 5th back up choice before the med/dent deadline or do I have until the normal deadline?
Lol I'm here telling everyone not to apply to a 5th choice and you ask me this :facepalm:

Anyway, as long as it's not Oxbridge or dentistry or any other course with an early deadline - you have until 15th Jan 2022.
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I would second ecolier. I was misinformed while at college and told to apply for a non-medicine degree as a final choice and then apply to graduate entry medicine as if it was that easy to get a place as a graduate.
It would have been much easier to take a single year out, work, earn money, gain experience and reapply than to do a whole three years of a course you don’t really have any passion for, get into debt , and then be faced with the hugely competitive GEM options

I just don’t see the point in using the fifth choice for a course you’ve not ever wanted to do
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See that's the thing, I don't know if they are really thinking this or they are just misinformed about the difficulty of GEM.

Most people seem to think that GEM is eminently possible.

Hence my reason for making my post discouring 5th options everywhere around the forum. And the non-medicine choice... if they are really desperate to go into Uni for whatever reason, they can always go through clearing for a non-medicine course.
I don’t exactly agree that someone should plan to use Clearing, it can be a very stressful experience especially with a lack of good accommodation options for many Clearing applicants. To my mind it is better if people are realistic about the fact that they may just not be cut out for medicine. Some will retake A levels or take a year out to gain more relevant work experience but some will hopefully accept that medicine just isn’t for them.
Maybe we can agree that where they will not be obsessing over GEM they can consider using their 5th choice on a non medicine option as long as they would genuinely be happy to pursue that other option if they got 4 rejections?
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...some will hopefully accept that medicine just isn’t for them.
The majority won't!

Maybe we can agree that where they will not be obsessing over GEM they can consider using their 5th choice on a non medicine option as long as they would genuinely be happy to pursue that other option if they got 4 rejections?
Definitely agree.
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Lol I'm here telling everyone not to apply to a 5th choice and you ask me this :facepalm:

Anyway, as long as it's not Oxbridge or dentistry or any other course with an early deadline - you have until 15th Jan 2022.
Haha thank you ecolier the reason I ask is because I’m a gap year student resitting and if somehow my resit is worse than expected surely the only route left is working through GEM I’m not too sure which Med schools accept more than 1 resit attempt
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Haha thank you ecolier the reason I ask is because I’m a gap year student resitting and if somehow my resit is worse than expected surely the only route left is working through GEM I’m not too sure which Med schools accept more than 1 resit attempt
A few do!

Do not aim for GEM, you'll most likely (i.e. statistically speaking) not be successful.
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Anyway, as long as it's not Oxbridge or dentistry or any other course with an early deadline - you have until 15th Jan 2022.
Just to note that the deadline for guaranteed consideration to non-med courses is the 26th of January this year.

In reality, a very large number of courses stay open way longer than this. But it's the 26th if anyone wants to guarantee that the course will be open and will consider them.
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Just to note that the deadline for guaranteed consideration to non-med courses is the 26th of January this year.

In reality, a very large number of courses stay open way longer than this. But it's the 26th if anyone wants to guarantee that the course will be open and will consider them.
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