Sir David Amess murdered

3000 people that cannot be locked up soon enough, and add Abu Hamza to that list.


Until a government anywhere around the world, not just in this country has the balls to lock up terror threats no questions asked random attacks like this will continue to happen. Of course the left are quick to point out that that would be against yooman rights; seemingly the rights of potential killers and terrorists come above the innocent public.

3000 people that cannot be locked up soon enough, and add Abu Hamza to that list.


Until a government anywhere around the world, not just in this country has the balls to lock up terror threats no questions asked random attacks like this will continue to happen. Of course the left are quick to point out that that would be against yooman rights; seemingly the rights of potential killers and terrorists come above the innocent public.

Yet, if reports in the media are accurate, the individual responsible was not one of these 3,000 individuals.

So not only is your proposal inherently authoritarian, it would not have prevented this murder.

The problem with that is do you really trust the government to use such unlimited powers responsibly? IO certainly wouldnt. It stinks of autocracy and dictatorships not least given half these people have likely done absolutely nothing to merit the addition to the watch list, it having a very low bar.
Equally theres the problem of governments arbitrarily deeming organizations/views/people as 'extremist' or terrorist related. If we look through the history of whom we consider terror groups it is not exactly a ringing endorsement for government accountability, it being subject to outside influence, happily ignoring real terrorists' because theyre 'our terrorists' and being used to further political goals, like sticking the finger to Iran by delisting the terror group MEK. Equally, we've been infamous for fostering islamic terror groups with government approval for decades so long as they blow up things abroad and not here. The Libyan example being a case in point, we supported them before he turned against Britain.

In short, I have no issue with it. When it comes to public safety, I’d put that above anything else. We’re talking about the lowest of the low, absolute scumbags, potential terrorists; not Joe public.

Anyone can be a potential terrorist.

They can. But it doesn’t just happen just like that. It isn’t an overnight decision. Take any example you want, whether that be the bloke in Plymouth, the London Bridge stabbings, this attack, heck, even put Wayne Couzens in that. Countless red flags missed time and time again, and attacks that could have been prevented.

You two make it sound as if we’d just go locking up innocent people. In the terrorist sense, these are islamic extremists, not investment bankers. Jesus wept.

If we look through the history of whom we consider terror groups it is not exactly a ringing endorsement for government accountability, it being subject to outside influence, happily ignoring real terrorists' because theyre 'our terrorists' and being used to further political goals, like sticking the finger to Iran by delisting the terror group MEK. Equally, we've been infamous for fostering islamic terror groups with government approval for decades so long as they blow up things abroad and not here. The Libyan example being a case in point, we supported them before he turned against Britain.

There is a lot of linkage to the murder of Jo Cox, for me the precedents are rather more Irish Republican terrorism.

They can. But it doesn’t just happen just like that. It isn’t an overnight decision. Take any example you want, whether that be the bloke in Plymouth, the London Bridge stabbings, this attack, heck, even put Wayne Couzens in that. Countless red flags missed time and time again, and attacks that could have been prevented.

You two make it sound as if we’d just go locking up innocent people. In the terrorist sense, these are islamic extremists, not investment bankers. Jesus wept.

How many attacks have been stopped behind the scenes the police stop most of them. Unfortunately some get through the net.

Is that what you say to the families of those who’ve lost their lives because we’re too afraid to lock people up? They didn’t get through the net, the net doesn’t exist. If it did, certainly the London Bridge attack wouldn’t have happened because he would never have seen the light of day again.

Is that what you say to the families of those who’ve lost their lives because we’re too afraid to lock people up? They didn’t get through the net, the net doesn’t exist. If it did, certainly the London Bridge attack wouldn’t have happened because he would never have seen the light of day again.

In short, I have no issue with it. When it comes to public safety, I’d put that above anything else. We’re talking about the lowest of the low, absolute scumbags, potential terrorists; not Joe public.

I agree with most of your points.

But there are so many disrupted viable terrorist plots involving uk & overseas based scumbags who are aiming to inflict mass murder or vast criminal damage to uk residents & businesses along with serious non-fatal violence- stopped thanks to the efforts of uk police/uk military intelligance/international assistance from the shin bet or nato allies intelligence services.

So the St Paul's bomb plot didn't get stopped by undercover officers and hundreds of people were killed and injured?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St_Paul%27s_Cathedral_bomb_plot

Thats rather the point, the law will be applied to average Joe.. when you create a drag net you cant be surprised when the public are caught in it.
I forget who made the famous quote but sooner 10 guilty people go free than 1 innocent be jailed in ones view.
After all, this is not, in ones view again, an issue of enough magnitude to justify turning the country into a dystopian police state. Something like WWII might have justified it but a few lunatics with knives isnt quite a strong enough reason for me.

Why would it be applied to the average Joe? I personally couldn’t see myself being arrested on terror offences given that I’m not a domestic or global terrorist.