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    (Original post by zaf1986)

    As far as I recall, Ganguly's highest score in ODIs in the last series played in Pakistan was 45, he only played in the 3rd Test and was runout for 70-odd. Please lead to when Ganguly got 99 against Pak, I don't seem to remember.

    Sorry, you're correct there. It was Dravid with the 99.
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    (Original post by Hash)
    Sorry, you're correct there. It was Dravid with the 99.
    And was outdone by an Akhtar special - a rarity but they do come every so often :p:

    BTW, I was referring to Test hundreds, its actually be even longer, since the WC semifinal against Kenya that Gangs made 111* - his last ODI hundred. That I can contend with, because he has pushed himself down the order and less likely to get a hundred in the limited overs but not in Tests.
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    (Original post by zaf1986)
    Are you suggesting 71 against Bangladesh is the same as 71 against Australia? Runs are judged by the bowling attack against which they are scored.
    Read carefully. What I said was you cannot say that a batsman is pathetic because he scored 71 and 88 against bangladesh.

    I never even brought Australia into it.

    (Original post by zaf1986)
    Because he won the match for Pakistan, thats why! Ganguly did not win the match by scoring whatever he did, are you getting my drift?
    If Ganguly hadn't scored what he did, India would have been far worse off in the match situation. You getting my drift?

    (Original post by zaf1986)
    That doesn't work. Inzamam's batting average has risen since he became captain, and in any case, Ganguly was captain in the World Cup where he was the 2nd leading runscorer and he was captain in Australia when he got a hundred etc etc etc. He is clearly vunerable against well directed short pitched bowling and he is doing nothing about it. Until he does, IMO he doesn't deserve a spot in India's star studded batting lineup.
    Being captain definitely adds a lot of pressure. And if you're going through a dip (as Ganguly is), the pressure is all the more. These are irrefutable facts that cannot be denied.

    Without the pressure and time constraints of being captain, Ganguly probably would be able to concentrate on his batting and sort out is vulnerabilities.

    Under Ganguly's captainship, the Indian team spirit has completely change. They have a much better work ethic and have become a more professional team. This is also in part due to the team physio and foreign coach.
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    Runs are runs, regardless of opponent.
    What I said was you cannot say that a batsman is pathetic because he scored 71 and 88 against bangladesh.
    That is not what you said before, and you're putting words in my mouth, its not what I said either. I said it is pathetic that he hasn't been able to get a test 100 for 2 years, not even Bangladesh.


    If Ganguly hadn't scored what he did, India would have been far worse off in the match situation. You getting my drift?
    I disagree. Sachin Tendulkar scored 248 in that match, if India had been worse off when a player scored a double hundred then what is a strong position?

    Not for a second did I question Gangs' captaincy. It is his batting that is the problem, no doubt that there is pressure, however good captains are those who can handle the pressure and deal with. At the moment Ganguly is not dealing with it, so although he is a good captain tactically, he is not so good dealing with pressure.
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    I'd love to respond zaf, but I think I better get started on some work :eek:
    Spent too much time on cricket already...


    At least you have a sound knowledge of cricket, and you've put your arguments across convincingly. Remind me to rep you when I'm allowed to
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    the boys did us proud what were india thinking playing defensively after sehwag?? they can only blame themselves..
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    although he is a good captain tactically
    Do you think so? I'm not so convinced and never have been with Ganguly. Think he can be too defensive at times and not have the boldness to back his bowler to the hilt sometimes I think. Nor does he have the ability to galvanise the team when they get a taste of blood to go in for the kill. I suppose a lot of that is down to the whole team but the captain must take some responbility. From my time watching cricket (obviously not that long as im only 18) Steve Waugh was the model captain (and an idol of mine). Aggressive, intellegent and decisive. Ofcourse he had an awesome bowling and fielding unit to work with but he gave the team the extra edge that no one else in the world has been able to match. You only had to look at him on the field and he had a presence that radiated through the team. You can see it to an extent with Vaughan and also in patches with Graeme Smith but not with Ganguly.

    Although I suppose I might be being a bit harsh on Ganguly. He's a good player and a decent captain, but no more IMO. Greatness comes to those who can battle hard under pressure, those who can lead from the front and those who can shoulder responsibility and act according. There's no greater pressure in world sport, let alone just cricket, than being captain of the Indian cricket team but you've gotta live with it. He's the most qualified in India but in international terms I dont think he's much special. The ball he got out to in the first innings was excellent but the shot was woeful and the dismissal was embarassing for a top batsman in the world. And the worst thing is it happens more than it should do.
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    (Original post by Hash)
    I'd love to respond zaf, but I think I better get started on some work :eek:
    Spent too much time on cricket already...


    At least you have a sound knowledge of cricket, and you've put your arguments across convincingly. Remind me to rep you when I'm allowed to
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    i agree with zaf1986, ganguly=pathetic. altough what hash is saying about the pressures that going with being captain are true, if he cannot handle that pressure then surely he should no longer be captain!? the only thing is there is no clear person to replace him, sachin has said on many occasions that he doesnt like being captain, and kumble is injured a lot and is not always required on non-spinning pitches.
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    (Original post by topdude)
    i agree with zaf1986, ganguly=pathetic. altough what hash is saying about the pressures that going with being captain are true, if he cannot handle that pressure then surely he should no longer be captain!? the only thing is there is no clear person to replace him, sachin has said on many occasions that he doesnt like being captain, and kumble is injured a lot and is not always required on non-spinning pitches.
    Rahul Dravid, his vice? VVS Laxman possibly? Even Virender Sehwag.
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    (Original post by zaf1986)
    Rahul Dravid, his vice? VVS Laxman possibly? Even Virender Sehwag.
    well i dont consider laxman as a regular, as someone who has to be there in every single test, so not him.

    sehwag is to erratic even though he is improving in that aspect.

    dravid, hmmmm, he is the best option we have i guess. he already has somelimited experience so yea it shud be him.
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    Dravid should DEFINITELY be given the chance to be captain.
    Though I would be terrified for Pakistan if that happened during this coming ODI series.
    So, after that.
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    Yes, but you are not seeing that Wales had a lot of injuries as well. The better team won.
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    Do I still detect a hint of dislike for the Irish still D? Hmmm?
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    well they arent changing the captain for the ODIs againts pakistan , if india win the ODIs and ganguly plays a reasonable role in the victory then all will be forgotton and he will be again reffered to as the most succesful indian captain !
    I feel sorry for him , hes bn goin through a bad patch and he has bn gettn alot of criticism.

    anyone kno when the ODIs begin ?
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    I'm not his biggest fan but Ganguly is not "pathetic". It's quite pathetic infact to label him as that. As a batsman he averages 40+ in all forms of the game and that's no mean feat and as a captain he's led India to some excellent results including series wins away to Pakistan and home to Australia aswell as reaching the final of the world cup. Just because this series has been drawn doesnt call for knee jerk radical reactions.
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    (Original post by Bokkas)
    Yes, but you are not seeing that Wales had a lot of injuries as well. The better team won.
    no they didnt!
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    (Original post by sumitk87)
    well they arent changing the captain for the ODIs againts pakistan , if india win the ODIs and ganguly plays a reasonable role in the victory then all will be forgotton and he will be again reffered to as the most succesful indian captain !
    I feel sorry for him , hes bn goin through a bad patch and he has bn gettn alot of criticism.

    anyone kno when the ODIs begin ?
    1st is ODI in 2nd April.

    Ganguly averaged 9.66 in this series with scores of 21, 12, 12, 1, 2. Not too great for specialist bat.,
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    (Original post by sumitk87)
    well they arent changing the captain for the ODIs againts pakistan , if india win the ODIs and ganguly plays a reasonable role in the victory then all will be forgotton and he will be again reffered to as the most succesful indian captain !
    i agree. if that was directed at me, my opinion about dravid was more about the future. i hope one day, whether its before or after ganguly's retirement, he gets a chance in the captain's shoes.
    earlier, hash was right about the media exagerrating small matters to make us excited, but correct me if i'm wrong, ganguly has been moving down the batting order. doesn't really seem to be any space for him with all the other guys. he's a good captain in a way for giving other batsmen with loads of potential the chance and spot he used to play in, kind of like a sacrifice? anyway, ganguly was loudly booed when he came on and off the pitch by indians themselves. so the public aren't too pleased with him. ergo whether he deserves it or not, there is a certain amount of pressure on him even if the commentators are wrong in hyping up the speculation. he has to prove all those people wrong in the ODI series.
    I can't wait.
 
 
 
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