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Pakistan And The Caste System

Reply 80

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4G_dollars

We are arain choudary...

is it good? is it high? what does the mean?

I wanna know information.... of what that means...it is just curiousity really..

Fooking hell man read the wiki page for gods sake.

Reply 81

Neville 'Facking' Bartos

12

who cares.. were all humans and equal.

Caste system a loada ********

Reply 82

4G_dollars

OP

I read arain and but then theres choudary how does that fit in with that...this is so confusing...

Reply 83

Rei

14

Well, is Choudary your surname?

Reply 84

4G_dollars

OP

no i was told I am a choudary...but it is not my surname..

Reply 85

Ali-

The contemporary standing of any 'tribal qabeela' now depends upon its cumulative financial strength. It is this power that has made Lagharis climb the ladder in so fast a time- they were awarded generously for their 'loyalty' by the British. Presently, the Arains do form a major community in Pakistan, being located principally in Punjab, both the upper and lower belts. As they are largely small-level traders and affluent farmers, Arain's standing in the society is (if I may say so) averge or perhaps better: money is the measure of all things.

But I would like to reiterate my point mentioned in an eralier post: It is taqwa which determines the greatness of your stature.

Reply 86

~EventHorizon~

Ali-

The contemporary standing of any 'tribal qabeela' now depends upon its cumulative financial strength. It is this power that has made Lagharis climb the ladder in so fast a time- they were awarded generously for their 'loyalty' by the British. Presently, the Arains do form a major community in Pakistan, being located principally in Punjab, both the upper and lower belts. As they are largely small-level traders and affluent farmers, Arain's standing in the society is (if I may say so) averge or perhaps better: money is the measure of all things.

But I would like to reiterate my point mentioned in an eralier post: It is taqwa which determines the greatness of your stature.

Right mate you clearly sound like you know your stuff lol. Could you possibly recommend a book or website (not wikipedia please) with information about Pakistani culture? I cant ever seem to find anything good on the net, and id like to know more about my roots. :smile:

Reply 87

Arka

You're looking for this I believe:

ISLAMIC CASTE:

Any of the units of social stratification that developed between Muslims in India and Pakistan as a result of the proximity of Hindu culture.Much of the
South Asian Muslims were recruited from the Hindu population;despite the egalitarian tenets of Islam,the Muslim converts persisted in their Hindu social habits.Hindus,in turn,accommodated the Muslim ruling class by giving it a status of its own. In South Asian Muslim society a distinction is made between the "ashraf"(Arabic,plural of sharif, "nobleman" ),who are supposedly descendants of Muslim Arab immigrants,and the "non-ashraf",who are Hindu converts.
The "ashraf" group is further subdivided into four subgroups:

1)Sayyids,originally a designation of descendants of Muhammad through his daughter Fatimah and son-in-law 'Ali,
2)Shaykhs(Arabic-"Chiefs" ),mainly descendants of Arab or Persian immigrants but also including some converted Rajputs,
3)Pashtuns,member of the Pashto-speaking tribes in Afghanistan and north western Pakistan,and
4)Mughal,persons of Turkish origin,who cam into India with the Mughal armies.

The "non-ashraf" Muslim castes are of three levels of status:

1)at the top,converts from high Hindu castes,mainly Rajputs,insofar as they have not been absorbed into the Shaykh castes;
2)next the artisan caste groups,such as the Julahas,originally weavers;
3)and lowest,the converted untouchables,who have continued their old occupations.These converts of Hinduism observe endogamy in a manner closer to their Hindu counterparts.

Two of the principal indexes of Hindu caste,commensality and endogamy(principles governing eating and marital arrangements),do not appear as strongly in Islamic castes.Commensality is prohibited between ashraf and non-ashraf,between Muslim and Hindu,and between the various castes of the non-ashraf.
The principle of endogamy is altered by the Muslim preference of marriage within very narrow limits(eg, to the daughter of the father's brother),which in South Asia is known as "biyadhari".

Reply 88

786_786

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~*~rAiNbOw~*~

wot bout malik???

oooh yeh forgot about that one....there's loads but i only know a few :rolleyes:

er...i think malik is meant to be quite good...

Reply 89

~*~rAiNbOw~*~

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786_786

oooh yeh forgot about that one....there's loads but i only know a few :rolleyes:

er...i think malik is meant to be quite good...

lol I think I'll just google it.

Reply 90

geminibubblegum

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Sayyids,originally a designation of descendants of Muhammad through his daughter Fatimah and son-in-law 'Ali,

Woooo! Go us!!!

Reply 91

~*~rAiNbOw~*~

11

lol I love how this thread brought out all the pakis :biggrin:

Reply 92

LiL MiSs cHeEkY

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~*~rAiNbOw~*~

lol I love how this thread brought out all the pakis :biggrin:

hahahaha, i think it's just pakistanis who still know their castes.....

Reply 93

~*~rAiNbOw~*~

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LiL MiSs cHeEkY

hahahaha, i think it's just pakistanis who still know their castes.....

lol I have no idea what I am :p:

Reply 94

LiL MiSs cHeEkY

9

~*~rAiNbOw~*~

lol I have no idea what I am :p:

my parents are quite proud to be honest , eventhough they don't beleive in the whole caste thing, so have been constantly reminding me :rolleyes:

Reply 95

~*~rAiNbOw~*~

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LiL MiSs cHeEkY

my parents are quite proud to be honest , eventhough they don't beleive in the whole caste thing, so have been constantly reminding me :rolleyes:

lol my parents don't really give a damn bout the whole caste thing, infact I didn't even know it existed until today. The rest of my fam however take pride in our surname tho :o:

Reply 96

manc28

cba wiv readin the whole 5 pages but
the caste system is very much alive and kicking in the rural areas of the punjab.

Reply 97

geminibubblegum

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lol my parents don't really give a damn bout the whole caste thing, infact I didn't even know it existed until today. The rest of my fam however take pride in our surname tho