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Why am I getting the answers wrong when the method is right?

This is on Problems on reacting masses of solids

What mass of glucose must be fermented to give 5.0kg of ethanol?
(don't know how to get subscript)

C6H12(aq)----> 2C2H5OH (aq)+ 2CO2

Ok... so I'm trying to find the moles in ethanol

To convert 5.0Kg of ethanol to grammes: X1000 which gives 5000g
Find the RMM of ethanol: (12*2)+(1*5)+ 16+ 1= 46

To find the moles: mass/Rmm which is 5000/46= 108.7 mols
Ratio of C6H12O6: C2H5O8
1 : 2

1/2*108.7= 54.35 mol

Rmm of glucose= (12*6)+(1*12)+(16*6)= 180

To find the mass of glucose: RMM* MOLES
Which is 180*54.35= 9783g

The answer they gave us on the sheet was 9782.64g.

I know they're essentially the same answer but I've done the same working for other questions and got a completely different answer.... I stupidly typed up the one equation I got right... I'll type up another one later. I just don't know why I'm getting the answer marginally wrong when I haven't rounded before the final answer....
Can someone please point out where I'm going wrong? Thanks! :smile:


Edit: and also can someone show me how to work through this question? It's an extension but I really want to know how to do it...

A mixture of calcium and magnesium carbonates weighing 10.00g was heated until it reached a constant mass of 5.0960g. Calculate the percentage composition of the mixture by mass.
CaCo3(s)----> CaO + Co2 :: MgCO3 -----> MgO+ CO2

I have the answers on the sheet (CaCO3= 39.86%, MgCO3= 60.14%) but I have no idea how to get to the answer as we haven't been taught it and my textbook is useless.

Thank you!!!! :biggrin:
Reply 1
Thank you!!!! :biggrin:

The first one seems alright, i got like 9782.609 (like yours too), it is probably that the book uses more accurate relative atomic masses, after all the whole numbers we use are not that exact either, you will learn that if you do chemistry in uni. That is the likely reason for the difference.
Reply 2
diamonddust
This is on Problems on reacting masses of solids

What mass of glucose must be fermented to give 5.0kg of ethanol?
(don't know how to get subscript)

C6H12(aq)----> 2C2H5OH (aq)+ 2CO2

Ok... so I'm trying to find the moles in ethanol

To convert 5.0Kg of ethanol to grammes: X1000 which gives 5000g
Find the RMM of ethanol: (12*2)+(1*5)+ 16+ 1= 46

To find the moles: mass/Rmm which is 5000/46= 108.7 mols
Ratio of C6H12O6: C2H5O8
1 : 2

1/2*108.7= 54.35 mol

Rmm of glucose= (12*6)+(1*12)+(16*6)= 180

To find the mass of glucose: RMM* MOLES
Which is 180*54.35= 9783g

The answer they gave us on the sheet was 9782.64g.

I know they're essentially the same answer but I've done the same working for other questions and got a completely different answer.... I stupidly typed up the one equation I got right... I'll type up another one later. I just don't know why I'm getting the answer marginally wrong when I haven't rounded before the final answer....
Can someone please point out where I'm going wrong? Thanks! :smile:


Edit: and also can someone show me how to work through this question? It's an extension but I really want to know how to do it...

A mixture of calcium and magnesium carbonates weighing 10.00g was heated until it reached a constant mass of 5.0960g. Calculate the percentage composition of the mixture by mass.
CaCo3(s)----> CaO + Co2 :: MgCO3 -----> MgO+ CO2

I have the answers on the sheet (CaCO3= 39.86%, MgCO3= 60.14%) but I have no idea how to get to the answer as we haven't been taught it and my textbook is useless.

Thank you!!!! :biggrin:


For the first problem, slight differences in mass are due to you and the person who gave you the answer using different periodic tables with varying values for atomic mass. You used all values rounded to the nearest whole number whereas they used slightly more accurate values, probably to 2 d.p.

Will look at the second question later if nobody else has already. :smile:
Reply 3
diamonddust
This is on Problems on reacting masses of solids

What mass of glucose must be fermented to give 5.0kg of ethanol?
(don't know how to get subscript)

C6H12(aq)----> 2C2H5OH (aq)+ 2CO2

Ok... so I'm trying to find the moles in ethanol

To convert 5.0Kg of ethanol to grammes: X1000 which gives 5000g
Find the RMM of ethanol: (12*2)+(1*5)+ 16+ 1= 46

To find the moles: mass/Rmm which is 5000/46= 108.7 mols
Ratio of C6H12O6: C2H5O8
1 : 2

1/2*108.7= 54.35 mol

Rmm of glucose= (12*6)+(1*12)+(16*6)= 180

To find the mass of glucose: RMM* MOLES
Which is 180*54.35= 9783g

The answer they gave us on the sheet was 9782.64g.

I know they're essentially the same answer but I've done the same working for other questions and got a completely different answer.... I stupidly typed up the one equation I got right... I'll type up another one later. I just don't know why I'm getting the answer marginally wrong when I haven't rounded before the final answer....
Can someone please point out where I'm going wrong? Thanks! :smile:


Edit: and also can someone show me how to work through this question? It's an extension but I really want to know how to do it...

A mixture of calcium and magnesium carbonates weighing 10.00g was heated until it reached a constant mass of 5.0960g. Calculate the percentage composition of the mixture by mass.
CaCo3(s)----> CaO + Co2 :: MgCO3 -----> MgO+ CO2

I have the answers on the sheet (CaCO3= 39.86%, MgCO3= 60.14%) but I have no idea how to get to the answer as we haven't been taught it and my textbook is useless.

Thank you!!!! :biggrin:


Due to the theory of conservation of mass, then what you started with = what you ended with(the total mass), so we know that carbon dioxide escaped.

Therefore if you do a balanced eqn with MgCO3 and CaCO3 decomposed by heat, you would get 2 moles of CO2 in the end.

The mass of CO2 escaped = 10.00 - 5.0960 = 4.904 g

Mole of the CO2 = 4.904/44 = 0.1114545

Mole of CaCO3 actually present = 1/2 mole of CO2 produced = 0.05572725 mol = mass / 100

therefore mass of CaCO3 actually present = 5.572725 g
Hence the mass of MgCO3 present = 10 - mass of CaCO3 = 4.427275 g

Hmm, seems like i get a different answer, what do you think i have done wrong in my method?
Reply 4
Actually, you have rounded the number of moles of ethanol. Try using the exact value, or to 4sf.

As far as the second question is concerned, even we haven't been taught how to do it. But I guess it would have something to do with Empirical Formula, but then again, i might be wrong.

I'll look in my textbook to see if it shows how to do a question like this and get back to you in like 10 mins...
shengoc
Due to the theory of conservation of mass, then what you started with = what you ended with(the total mass), so we know that carbon dioxide escaped.

Therefore if you do a balanced eqn with MgCO3 and CaCO3 decomposed by heat, you would get 2 moles of CO2 in the end.


The mass of CO2 escaped = 10.00 - 5.0960 = 4.904 g

Mole of the CO2 = 4.904/44 = 0.1114545

Mole of CaCO3 actually present = 1/2 mole of CO2 produced = 0.05572725 mol = mass / 100

therefore mass of CaCO3 actually present = 5.572725 g
Hence the mass of MgCO3 present = 10 - mass of CaCO3 = 4.427275 g

Hmm, seems like i get a different answer, what do you think i have done wrong in my method?


This is your error - you have assumed that there are equal number of moles of the two carbonates
Reply 6
charco
This is your error - you have assumed that there are equal number of moles of the two carbonates


Hmm, oh right, thanks, man!
A mixture of calcium and magnesium carbonates weighing 10.00g was heated until it reached a constant mass of 5.0960g. Calculate the percentage composition of the mixture by mass.
CaCO3(s)----> CaO + Co2 :: MgCO3 -----> MgO+ CO2


loss of CO2 = 4.904g = 0.11145 moles

let mass of CaCO3 in the mixture = x
therefore mass of MgCO3 in teh mixture = 10-x

therefore moles of CaCO3 in the mix = x/100
therefore moles of MgCO3 in the mix = (10-x)/84
as 1 mole of both produces one mole of CO2 then moles of CO2 = x/100 + (10-x)/84

Hence: x/100 + (10-x)/84 = 0.11145

84x + 1000 - 100x = 936.18

16x = 63.82

x = 3.989 (or roughly 4g)

Therefore mass of CaCO3 = 4g and mass of MgCO3 = 6g
Original post by charco
loss of CO2 = 4.904g = 0.11145 moles

let mass of CaCO3 in the mixture = x
therefore mass of MgCO3 in teh mixture = 10-x

therefore moles of CaCO3 in the mix = x/100
therefore moles of MgCO3 in the mix = (10-x)/84
as 1 mole of both produces one mole of CO2 then moles of CO2 = x/100 + (10-x)/84

Hence: x/100 + (10-x)/84 = 0.11145

84x + 1000 - 100x = 936.18

16x = 63.82

x = 3.989 (or roughly 4g)

Therefore mass of CaCO3 = 4g and mass of MgCO3 = 6g

Hiya, I was just wondering if you could explain why the moles of MgCO3 in the mix is shown as (10-x)/84? I understand the 10-x but can't see why it's over 84. Thank you :smile:
Reply 9
Original post by ericagodfrey26
Hiya, I was just wondering if you could explain why the moles of MgCO3 in the mix is shown as (10-x)/84? I understand the 10-x but can't see why it's over 84. Thank you :smile:

swear that s the Mr of MgCO3
Original post by zman95
swear that s the Mr of MgCO3

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Original post by Son of the Sea
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Reply 12
Original post by shengoc
Due to the theory of conservation of mass, then what you started with = what you ended with(the total mass), so we know that carbon dioxide escaped.

Therefore if you do a balanced eqn with MgCO3 and CaCO3 decomposed by heat, you would get 2 moles of CO2 in the end.

The mass of CO2 escaped = 10.00 - 5.0960 = 4.904 g

Mole of the CO2 = 4.904/44 = 0.1114545

Mole of CaCO3 actually present = 1/2 mole of CO2 produced = 0.05572725 mol = mass / 100

therefore mass of CaCO3 actually present = 5.572725 g
Hence the mass of MgCO3 present = 10 - mass of CaCO3 = 4.427275 g

Hmm, seems like i get a different answer, what do you think i have done wrong in my method?


Original post by ericagodfrey26
Hiya, I was just wondering if you could explain why the moles of MgCO3 in the mix is shown as (10-x)/84? I understand the 10-x but can't see why it's over 84. Thank you :smile:


How did you get 84x 1000 100x

Hence: x/100 + (10-x)/84 = 0.11145

84x + 1000 - 100x = 936.18
Original post by Sergs
How did you get 84x 1000 100x

Hence: x/100 + (10-x)/84 = 0.11145

84x + 1000 - 100x = 936.18

Please look at the date before posting. This thread is 13 years old - the OP is hardly likely to come back and give you the answer.
Reply 14
Could you explain this part pls Hence: x/100 (10-x)/84 = 0.1114584x 1000 - 100x = 936.18How did you get 1000 84x 100x ?