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Ramdom debate 7: Has xmas become too commercialised?
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Yes.

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Yes, very much so.

I'm not even going to take this from a religious angle: so far as I'm concerned, even those who are not Christians are very welcome to join in the festivities. They might even learn something from it.

What irritates me is how stressed people get about it. Going to great lengths and to huge expense to buy presents, with still very little guarantee that anyone will like them. Parents spending hundreds of pounds on their children - that's quite frankly ridiculous.

All the parts of Christmas I enjoy are entirely stress-free. Going down the pub on Christmas Eve and bumping into loads of people, wandering up to the church for the midnight service, drinking throughout the day and having dinner (yes, I do help cook it - but realistically, an average Christmas dinner doesn't really take any great flair in the kitchen to prepare). **** presents.
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Become..? It feels like it's always been like that.
I mean what better marks the beginning of christmas than that silly coca cola advert with santa..
I'm not even religious but I much preferred going to church for christingle just because everybody was coming together.
I would love to be spending time with people this year in lieu of the whole buying each other presents rubbish.
Then again, this all comes down to my hatred of how materialistic everybody seems to be, I suppose..

But what do you think OP? (:
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Enough of these threads already. If you insist on making them at least spell random correctly.
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Enough of these threads already. If you insist on making them at least spell random correctly.
Shall I tell you whats even more irritating? Backseat moderation...
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(Original post by k9ruby)
Shall I tell you whats even more irritating? Backseat moderation...
^^ She's fun :yep:
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Present giving is for pretentious fools who have a romantic view of spending big on useless stuff using the credit card because that is xmas to them. These people then have to budget for the next 5 months.
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Of course Christmas is commercialised! How can you not tell? lol.

But there is no going back. We certainly can't expect the masses to worship Jesus anymore. Not now, since the pagan religions have been nrought to light (i.e. Christmas is originally a pagan festival). Unless of course, the masses go back to paganism, which is a possibility since it is about worshipping nature, or at least venerating nature. The Christmass tree is certainly pagan, not Christian. The angel (although a typical Christian icon) is certainly of pagan origin. The gifts on the tree is pagan. The winter solstice - a thoroughly pagan motif will never be severed from Christmas.

So either we go back to the roots or never go back.
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lol. is it slightly ironic that you spelt it xmas rather than christmas
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Originally Posted by k9ruby
Shall I tell you whats even more irritating? Backseat moderation...
^^ She's fun
Why thankyou
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lol. is it slightly ironic that you spelt it xmas rather than christmas
I object to this notion that there's any different connotations behind the spelling. It is simply substituting a Greek letter which sounds the same as five of our letters. Where's the fire?
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Christmas is commercialized, the part I object to is the 'too'. In a free market society, this is inevitable. Why is it always Christmas consumerism which is penalized for being empty and removed from meaning? Everything in Western society is commercialized, when accepting a capitalistic economic model you cannot differentiate between what is 'allowed' to be commercial because it never had some deeper, religious meaning behind it and what isn't because it's supposed to represent something more meaningful. The rules of supply and demand apply to everything whether it be religious, spiritual, meaningful etc. It is just one of the lesser downsides to capitalistic society, and I would say that one should be grateful for not having greater grievances concerning the socioeconomic climate in one's country. Yes, perhaps in an idealistic world some would say we should have the pragmatic rules of the market governing certain facets of society and a deeper respect for the more 'meaningful' parts which we would place on the pedestal of tradition. However, the problems arising from this would be much greater as they would have to depend on capitalism with a great degree of state imposition by an institution who selects what are the 'meaningful' celebrations and which aren't. In an unbiased, *free* market society, we all have the choice whether to buy these goods or not. We should be grateful for that choice.
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isnt xmas just shortened so it can be labelled onto everything?
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Yes, it now detracts far too much from the story of the birth of jesus.

If i hear it called winter time celebration, im beheading the said person instantly with tinsil.
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Yes.

/close topic
I concur.
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I don't really care about the commercialisation. I agree with Lib, people who get stressed about it all are fools - that said, commercialism is all I've ever known. I have very fond memories of being a little kid and flicking through the toy section of an Argos catalog looking for the Lego toys I wanted that year, or going round a friend's house on boxing day and playing our new computer games. I don't really care about the history - though I'm aware of it - nor do I care about how much of it has been created by marketing companies - it is how it is and frankly, I really enjoy it.
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I concur.
As do I. I doubt there is room for 'debate' here as everyone already knows Christmas is ridiculously commercialised...unfortunately there's not much we can do about this.
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hehe loving the seven threads; although it has put you in the red, inevitably :p:
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Never saw the problem with xmas myself, 'Christ' has been abbreviated in this fashion for about the last thousand years.

It certainly isn't an attack of the 'OMG political correctness' brigade that everyone seems so fearful of, but doesn't seem to actually exist.
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