Climate change will cause mass migration

But no. The only thing that causes mass migration into the west in the modern era is liberal politician, left wing activists and various lobbyists, laws and treaties.

Really? I thought it was people fleeing war and terror or searching for a better life. I guess if your home gets flooded out by rising sea levels, that would also fall under the same camp. As Australia is finding out, no amount of being complete and utter a-holes is going to stop immigration.

And to throw the cat amongst the pigeons, if our government collapsed and anarchy reigned, you and your family would be off to live with long lost Auntie Bessie in Spain / Ireland / Australia / Another country, just like everyone else.

I beg to differ on that count. The US reduced immigration by a whopping 90% under the Trump regime.

Hmmm - that is a rather vague statement. Was immigration reduced because of specific policies Trump put in place or was it also as a result of a pandemic that saw transport routes shut off completely? Also, are you talking about legal migration or illegal migration or both?

I would hypothesise that Biden reversed the decision to increase legal migration because of lobbying from business groups who needed seasonal or specialist labour.

Also obligatory.

Tbh I genuinely don't have a problem with immigrants. My problem is with the insane (often white) lefties that weaponise them against white/ conservative people. We need to fundamentally sort our country out before taking in more people in, including reintegration of the existing population.

Sort our country out? Our country will never be sorted, mainly because a) there will never be a consensus on what that even means and b) even if there was a consensus, can you ever say a country has reached a state where you can say it is sorted out?

As for the idea that some white left-wing people weaponise certain issues - sure, I get that. But the way you say it makes it sound like the underlying issue has been made up. Sadly, racism and sexism are still endemic in our society and as white men, we are exceedingly privileged not have experienced it. If you have experienced it, you understand how horrific it is and also how offensive it is that folks like yourself dismiss them as being wokeful to stand up against such behaviour.

Here's the stat I have

As you can see the decline started in 2016.
But even if it was due to the virus that does at least show it can be done.

Sure, as well as pressure from left wing activists and groups.

Yes it probably will, albeit not for another decade or more at the earliest.

It's why 'the West' ought to do more to adapt the living arrangements in the countries most affected, to avoid a surge of climate migrants heading (primarily) into Europe alongisde economic migrants coming from Asia and the Middle East. It's quite evident that immigration in Europe is out of control already and this will only cause further issues.

Fair enough. It will be interesting to see how developed economies fair in the future. There will be some who continue to see immigration and others who take a hard line on it. It will be interesting to see how economies develop. My own hypothesis is that immigration is good for economic growth firstly because a ready workforce is good for business but secondly because immigration seeds radical innovation as different cultures and background clash in a most positive manner.

You say that it's the responsibility of the west to adapt however the reality is that aside from a few short land borders we only really need worry about policing the sea and if we committed more resources, we could. Arresting any illegal migrants and putting them in a camp on an island would also provide a good disincentive.

Immigration is generally good for nominal growth because it increases the size of the labour force and most western economies are close enough to full employment that new labour can be absorbed.

I'm far from sold on the link with innovation. If you look at nations with the highest innovation indexes, the US and Germany are anomalies in their attitudes to immigration of folk outside the region. Also, third world refugees are not comparable with immigrants, they are among the most deprived and least educated.

You say that it's the responsibility of the west to adapt however the reality is that aside from a few short land borders we only really need worry about policing the sea and if we committed more resources, we could. Arresting any illegal migrants and putting them in a camp on an island would also provide a good disincentive.

I agree that borders need to be policed far more robustly than they currently are, however as we see currently with migrants in Europe who have come from Africa or the Middle East, there is very little you can do to disincentivise migration. Irrespective of what measures you put in place, they still want to get into Europe because it at least offers hope which they lack in their homeland.

When I say adapt, I mean the West should collectively support certain at-risk communities by developing more sustainable employment (compared to agriculture which relies on the environment) or modifying buildings to withstand more extreme weather. Simply ignoring the problem and funnelling resources into border patrols won't stop them coming, you'll just create a bottleneck of migrants who will eventually permeate or overwhelm the controls you put in place.

I'm far from sold on the link with innovation. If you look at nations with the highest innovation indexes, the US and Germany are anomalies in their attitudes to immigration of folk outside the region. Also, third world refugees are not comparable with immigrants, they are among the most deprived and least educated.

What fascinating ideas and innovation is someone who is going to work as a toilet cleaner from (****) going to bring?

I think you have answered your own question. The US and Germany have seen huge swathes of migration over the years, the US in particular and many of the innovations they have made have been linked to the clashing of minds from different parts of the world.

By contrast, Russia and China have languished. Most of their innovation is based on espionage. Japan is a slight oddity, but all they bought to the table was taking existing ideas and producing them vastly more efficiently. In recent years, the focus of innovation has moved away from Japan and technologically speaking is back in the US and West.

Given many people who migrate here and end up in factories or cleaning toilets had degrees back at home and jobs like teachers and doctors, who knows. The ridiculousness of our immigration policy is we treat all migrants the same regardless of the impressive educational levels some have.

Either way, as long as our economy is doing well and we are happy to allow other areas of the world rot in hell, they will come. Sure, if it makes you feel better that people are suffering in hell on an island in Scotland then go for it, but it won't solve the problem.

I think you have answered your own question. The US and Germany have seen huge swathes of migration over the years, the US in particular and many of the innovations they have made have been linked to the clashing of minds from different parts of the world.

By contrast, Russia and China have languished. Most of their innovation is based on espionage. Japan is a slight oddity, but all they bought to the table was taking existing ideas and producing them vastly more efficiently. In recent years, the focus of innovation has moved away from Japan and technologically speaking is back in the US and West.