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Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓

Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.

- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.

- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.

- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.

So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:

1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production

I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?

Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻
Hi : )

Congratulations on your bachelor's degree!

I think the course you want to do - Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts or London College of Music sounds appealing.
But you could check the subject rankings to be sure : )
Original post by goodguydan95
Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓

Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.

- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.

- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.

- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.

So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:

1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production

I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?

Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻

Hi there!


This sounds really exciting! I visited Peru and Lima in 2019 and I really loved the country and Lima was such an amazing city.

I don't have any music school knowledge but I do remember the stress of choosing which university to go to for an arts related degree so I have a few questions that might help you narrow it down.

Which cities would be best for you to find the music industry and be able to find places to play and be in easier contact with professionals? Obviously London is the capital and offers so many opportunities so it might be worth looking at the rankings for the unis in London and having a few from London on your list. However London is quite an expensive place to be so maybe you could see which other big cities might also give you opportunities. Luckily the UK is rather small (compared to Peru!) and you could always get a train into London for when you need to! Looking at your list, some of these bigger cities might include are Salford (an area of Manchester and a city I personally really like), Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool.

However there are also some unis in much smaller towns (perhaps easier to get network if there's less people competing like there is in London?), where you would be really close to London for when you needed to be - Uni of Sussex in Guildford, and Uni of Kent in Canterbury.

Figuring out where you want to be in the UK might be the first step in figuring which uni to choose!


I hope this was helpful and best of luck!


-Daisy (Final year Theatre and Spanish student) :smile:
Original post by Hiteshri Monya
Hi : )

Congratulations on your bachelor's degree!

I think the course you want to do - Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts or London College of Music sounds appealing.
But you could check the subject rankings to be sure : )

Thank you!! I'm considering both of them for sure! If you have some info about them that you could share with me, would be great :smile:
Original post by Lancaster Student Ambassador
Hi there!


This sounds really exciting! I visited Peru and Lima in 2019 and I really loved the country and Lima was such an amazing city.

I don't have any music school knowledge but I do remember the stress of choosing which university to go to for an arts related degree so I have a few questions that might help you narrow it down.

Which cities would be best for you to find the music industry and be able to find places to play and be in easier contact with professionals? Obviously London is the capital and offers so many opportunities so it might be worth looking at the rankings for the unis in London and having a few from London on your list. However London is quite an expensive place to be so maybe you could see which other big cities might also give you opportunities. Luckily the UK is rather small (compared to Peru!) and you could always get a train into London for when you need to! Looking at your list, some of these bigger cities might include are Salford (an area of Manchester and a city I personally really like), Birmingham, Leeds and Liverpool.

However there are also some unis in much smaller towns (perhaps easier to get network if there's less people competing like there is in London?), where you would be really close to London for when you needed to be - Uni of Sussex in Guildford, and Uni of Kent in Canterbury.

Figuring out where you want to be in the UK might be the first step in figuring which uni to choose!


I hope this was helpful and best of luck!


-Daisy (Final year Theatre and Spanish student) :smile:

Hello Daisy! Thanks for the comment, it was super helpful!

You are right; picking the city is one of the most important parts. I would like to be in a city where professional opportunities are frequent and there's industry, definitely. Sounds like the places you mention are the right ones!

Also, I would like to go to a school that is respected in the music-arts field. Do you have some insight about those unis?

Thank you so much!
Original post by goodguydan95
Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓

Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.

- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.

- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.

- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.

So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:

1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production

I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?

Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻


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Original post by Muttley79
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Oh, haven't read about it. Is it good in music?
Thanks!!!
Original post by goodguydan95
Oh, haven't read about it. Is it good in music?
Thanks!!!

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Original post by goodguydan95
Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓

Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.

- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.

- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.

- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.

So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:

1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production

I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?

Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻

Hi there,

To introduce myself I’m Joao. I am in my final year studying BSc Economics at Surrey University while working as a Campus Ambassador for JP Morgan. I recently finished my one-year industrial placement as an Economist for the British Government’s Department for Environment, Food and Rural Affairs (Defra). I also had the opportunity to work as a Private Secretary to the Minister of Environment and Biosecurity.

Our Creative Music Technology BMus (Hons) offers you a route to an exciting career in the arts and creative industries. Our course will equip you with the skills for making innovative music in the 21st century, helping you to develop your own unique musical style. In this course, you’ll be taught by music technology experts and creative practitioners, and work in a unique environment using world-class professional facilities. You’ll also have the opportunity to collaborate with students from across the department. We also deliver on jobs. We were named the University of the Year for Graduate Employment in The Times/Sunday Times Good University Guide 2022.

On this practice-led course, you’ll study the creative use of music technology using a wide range of specialist software and hardware, preparing you for a broad range of careers in the creative industries. You’ll choose from areas of study such as electronic music creation and performance, sound design, music for moving images and creative music programming. Traditional music skills are also an important part of the degree and you may also choose to study traditional instrumental music, including performance.

Our vision is to create ‘thinking musicians’, so this course will also develop your analytical and interdisciplinary creative thinking and your fundamental transferable skills. You’ll develop a strong portfolio of creative work that will help you in your career, and the skills you need to make professional work for a broad range of media.

I hope this has helped,

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Original post by goodguydan95
Hello Daisy! Thanks for the comment, it was super helpful!

You are right; picking the city is one of the most important parts. I would like to be in a city where professional opportunities are frequent and there's industry, definitely. Sounds like the places you mention are the right ones!

Also, I would like to go to a school that is respected in the music-arts field. Do you have some insight about those unis?

Thank you so much!

Hi again!

I'm glad I could be of help but I'm afraid I don't know anything about music-arts universities, I mostly know about theatre-arts courses. What I would say is that one of the things you should look out for at these universities is who they have on their staff to teach. I would look out for staff that have extensive real world knowledge and are still active professionals in the field, lecturers who are still working as musicians, or producers, or similar, as they will have contacts and be able to offer current opportunities. For example on my theatre course, there are several lecturers who are still directors of theatre companies and they give us real time insight into their projects and help us navigate what we might want to do after university, with up to date knowledge of everything happening which is super helpful.

-Daisy (Final year Theatre and Spanish student) :smile:
Original post by goodguydan95
Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓

Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.

- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.

- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.

- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.

So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:

1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production

I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?

Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.

Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻

Hi!

I'm a second year student at the University of Kent and it's great that you have considered our university as a potential place to continue your studies. If this helps, I can give you some information about the course and life at Kent for you to have an idea.

The course lasts for three years with an opportunity to do a year in the industry and your modules will be in part compulsory and optional. Some of these are for example "Music in the Creative Industries", "Digital Music Production", "Music and Contemporary Culture" for Stage 1, which might interest you. As you progress with your studies, you can develop your interest further and consider different career paths in multiple industries, like music recording and production, music performance, music management or composition and songwriting. The course is based in the Medway campus but transport if offered to students to commute to Canterbury.

Kent is very international university where you can meet and mingle with students from every angle of the planet and of any age, so students settle in very nicely! If you are a very active person and you'd like to cultivate your passions outside your academics, there are plenty of societies you can join to meet like minded people and get involved. Also, Kent can be as quiet or busy as you want it to be. The student union and the university organises regular events to encourage student engagement in all aspects. One of the best thing about Kent is that it is one train away from the capital! So, as you were rightly determined to get to know the industry and build a network, being this close to London without living there is the best option.

I hope this brief overview helps. I will drop some links to the university website for you to look at in your own time:

General information: https://www.kent.ac.uk/courses/undergraduate/2505/music-business-production

International students: https://www.kent.ac.uk/internationalstudent/countries/index.html

When you visit these pages, you will find more links to more information you might find useful. You could also join our Virtual Open Day on Thursday 13 January from 16.00 - 19.00 GMT to have a clearer idea and see if Kent is the right place for you.

Hope this helps. If you have more questions, please don't hesitate to ask :smile:

Tracy
-UCK Rep
The best place to go to build connections and becoming the best you can music-wise will always be conservatoires in my opinion. The whole point is that you study whilst actively building a professional career.
Leeds conservatoire is a good option, they've also got some really great facilities there. I don't know much about London College of Music, but it seems good and like it has good facilities, and has options for song writing, which seems to be right for you. Same with Guildhall, don't know much about it particularly, but have heard good things from friends.
Just a few other options for you:
Trinity Laban-BA Music Performance and Industry
Leeds Conservatoire-popular music with production or production with popular music (will give you a more solid musical grounding than just production).
I would honestly say apply to London College of Music and Leeds Conservatoire this year, do everything you need to do, if either seem right for you, go for it, if not, do this:
Have a year off and apply in the next cycle. The conservatoire application deadline has already been, so you'll probably struggle to get a place or even interview/audition at any right now (guildhall and Trinity Laban)
The deadline for conservatoires is normally around the 1st October. Use this year to work on your portfolio and personal statement, and get that application in on time. I'd say your best options are:
-Guildhall (own application through their website)
-Leeds Conservatoire (ucas undergrad)
-Trinity Laban (ucas conservatoires)
-London College of Creative Media (London College of Music, new name) (ucas undergrad).
I'm also assuming here you know these are all undergraduate degrees, so they'll be the same level as your current degree you already hold.
Original post by remussjhj01
The best place to go to build connections and becoming the best you can music-wise will always be conservatoires in my opinion. The whole point is that you study whilst actively building a professional career.
Leeds conservatoire is a good option, they've also got some really great facilities there. I don't know much about London College of Music, but it seems good and like it has good facilities, and has options for song writing, which seems to be right for you. Same with Guildhall, don't know much about it particularly, but have heard good things from friends.
Just a few other options for you:
Trinity Laban-BA Music Performance and Industry
Leeds Conservatoire-popular music with production or production with popular music (will give you a more solid musical grounding than just production).
I would honestly say apply to London College of Music and Leeds Conservatoire this year, do everything you need to do, if either seem right for you, go for it, if not, do this:
Have a year off and apply in the next cycle. The conservatoire application deadline has already been, so you'll probably struggle to get a place or even interview/audition at any right now (guildhall and Trinity Laban)
The deadline for conservatoires is normally around the 1st October. Use this year to work on your portfolio and personal statement, and get that application in on time. I'd say your best options are:
-Guildhall (own application through their website)
-Leeds Conservatoire (ucas undergrad)
-Trinity Laban (ucas conservatoires)
-London College of Creative Media (London College of Music, new name) (ucas undergrad).
I'm also assuming here you know these are all undergraduate degrees, so they'll be the same level as your current degree you already hold.

Hi remussjhj01!

Thanks a lot for your answer!! It was very detailed.

I got an offer from Leeds and the London College of Music!!

I was inclining towards the London College of Music but I am a little confused about it, since it is a school within the University of West London, and there are many discouraging commentaries about such a university. I don't know what to do!
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Original post by goodguydan95
Hi remussjhj01!
Thanks a lot for your answer!! It was very detailed.
I got an offer from Leeds and the London College of Music!!
I was inclining towards the London College of Music but I am a little confused about it, since it is a school within the University of West London, and there are many discouraging commentaries about such a university. I don't know what to do!

where have you gone in the end then? what course and did are you enjoying it?
Original post by goodguydan95
Hi friends!!
First time posting here. I would appreciate if you could help me out deciding which university to go. I’m not from the UK and I’m having such a difficult time deciding 😓
Some brief context first!
- My name is Daniel and I live in Lima, Perú. I’m 26 years old and have already finished my bachelor’s degree in business administration.
- I always wanted to become a professional musician (composer/producer specifically) since I was about 10 y/o. Have been playing and producing tracks of my own ever since in my home studio. Made music for advertising and for short-films.
- I’m currently in the process of producing my first professional album. It’s going great and I hope that it becomes a success. But I want to go to a country where the music industry is strong, such as the UK. In Peru art/music is in the lowest of the priorities.
- I’ve read lot’s of people saying “don’t study music”. And I get their point. But I need to get to know people in the industry, build a network, and have a formal academic background. I think it raises the chances of success. My family is willing to help me out with the tuition, so that's a good thing.
So… I decided that pursuing a second bachelor in Music Production combined with songwriting and mixing, would be the best option. BUT, the big question is, in which university? Since I would be moving from Perú to the UK, it has to be a good uni, that's worth the effort and the investment. My options right now are as follows:
1. London College of Music - Performance and Recording
2. University of Surrey - Creative Music Technology
3. Guildhall School of Music and Drama - Popular Music Production
4. Liverpool Institute for Performing Arts - Music Songwriting & Production
5. University of Winchester - Music and Sound Production
6. University of Staffordshire - Music Production
7. University of Salford - Popular Music & Recording
8. Leeds Conservatoire - Music (Production)
9. University of York - Music and Sound Recording
10. University of Kent - Music Business and Production
11. Institute of Contemporary Music Performance - Creative Music Production
12. School of Audio Engineering (SAE) - Audio Production
13. Birmingham City University - Popular Music
14. Goldsmith University - Popular Music
15. University of Huddersfield - Creative Music Production
16. University of the Arts London - Music Production
I want to know your opinion guys. If you had to pick 5 to apply, which ones would you pick?
Lots of rankings contradict with one another. Some unis look very good but are located in small towns (I don’t know if that’s something bad in the future). The typical “top universities” like Oxford/Cambridge don’t offer music production/sound/mixing.
Thanks for taking the time to read this and hope you have a great day 🙌🏻

Hello Daniel,

I hope by now you have started your studies in the UK...I am an international student looking to study Music Technology in the UK and was hoping if you had any updates regarding where you ended up and how it is. Thank you!

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